Condition of PCCB

Condition of PCCB

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wycoller

568 posts

177 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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m33ufo said:
SICOM offer a refurbishment service. Wycoller (bought my GT2), is getting his fronts refurbished with them at the moment. Seems very cost effective.
Fredt
my front discs are presently with SICOM I should get them back this month 1600euros for front pair Wolfgang of Sicom stated that early PCCB where not that hot and referred to condition of mine as being typical and obviously he stated the SICOM recoat refurbish will be better than original. Mark UFO knows the condition mine were in so he is in a better position to comment, compare to yours. I,ll send photos of mine after ive put 2k on the car which will be by mid june . I arrive home 1st week in May then 15th booked with CG for suspension set up, then North west Scotland here I come

m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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wycoller said:
m33ufo said:
SICOM offer a refurbishment service. Wycoller (bought my GT2), is getting his fronts refurbished with them at the moment. Seems very cost effective.
Fredt
my front discs are presently with SICOM I should get them back this month 1600euros for front pair Wolfgang of Sicom stated that early PCCB where not that hot and referred to condition of mine as being typical and obviously he stated the SICOM recoat refurbish will be better than original. Mark UFO knows the condition mine were in so he is in a better position to comment, compare to yours. I,ll send photos of mine after ive put 2k on the car which will be by mid june . I arrive home 1st week in May then 15th booked with CG for suspension set up, then North west Scotland here I come
I'd say Wycoller's were marginally worse than the ones on the thread although the ones here seem to show a lot more wear around the outside edge.

The performance of the worn PCCB's on Wycoller's car was still good - better than the Alcon steel's I replaced them with, but as mentioned earlier, they do wear out the pads quickly.

fredt

Original Poster:

847 posts

146 months

Tuesday 14th April 2015
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Yeah I'm just gonna run them, keep an eye, and not worry about it.

Are there any reviews on SICOM? Very reasonable price if you get what they promise, but I can't find anything from anyone who has used them.

consul

924 posts

159 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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SICOM are running a test GT3, from what I have found out through online research they use a harder surface that is far superior to the OEM discs. There established with the
Ferrari crowd so I think they have a proven product. Once mine need looking at in the future, I will most certainly give them a go. Lets us know how you find the service and quality as it will be useful.

Thanks

jfp

514 posts

222 months

Wednesday 15th April 2015
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I am in conversation with Wolfgang regarding getting mine refurbished - even though they are not as bad as the ones in the pictures earlier. The value of the car plus the fact my car is regularly used upwards of 170mph makes me shudder at the thought of using less than perfectly functioning discs, they are brakes afterall.....

I will let you know how I / we get on.

Jon.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Wolfgang Dietz is a great guy and his company is a very reputable one.

From memory, I believe the Ferrari 599 GTO or the 599 FXX uses the SICOM 400 or 410mm SICOM brakes on the front and they can stand up to some serious abuse.

They are a seriously high quality product from the sounds of things.

cheshire911

45 posts

139 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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That's good that you can have them refurbished (hopefully at a reasonable price).
You might just faint when you find the price of new ceramic discs if you have to go down that route! I looked at one car with ceramics on 80k miles and I needed smelling salts to be revived when I discovered the price of replacement ceramics! Put it this ay all 4 rotors and pads were around 50% of the selling price of the car!

Obviously I didn't buy the car. That was in 2012.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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Wolfgang is a friend of mine so naturally I am biased towards his company. However, I can vouch for the excellency of his company's products. Infact, I am doing some market research for him for his products to be more readily available in the UK.

In the meantime, these are the refurbishment prices.

http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...



Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 22 April 17:58

wycoller

568 posts

177 months

Saturday 18th April 2015
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consul said:
SICOM are running a test GT3, from what I have found out through online research they use a harder surface that is far superior to the OEM discs. There established with the
Ferrari crowd so I think they have a proven product. Once mine need looking at in the future, I will most certainly give them a go. Lets us know how you find the service and quality as it will be useful.

Thanks
will do

consul

924 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Schermerhorn said:


Wolfgang is a friend of mine so naturally I am biased towards his company. However, I can vouch for the excellency of his company's products. Infact, I am doing some market research for him for his products to be more readily available in the UK.

In the meantime, these are the refurbishment prices.

http://www.carbonceramicbrake.com/refurbishment-se...
Thats Georg Plasa's car, very sad the way he lost his life but at least he was doing what he loved RIP.
I will most certainly be using this company when mine need doing. Got a long way to go but at least its a cheaper alternative to new ones.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Cheers, I'm not on the Porsche forums often but you can always get any SICOM updates on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK

PS: Here is a picture of a refurbished Porsche Carbon Ceramic Disc.





As standard, every new refurbished disc will get new nuts and bolts.


Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 22 April 17:35

TB993tt

2,032 posts

240 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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consul said:
I will most certainly be using this company when mine need doing. Got a long way to go but at least its a cheaper alternative to new ones.
+1

Thanks for sharing the experience, I've been watching this for a while and always been a little worried about just how good the refurbished discs will be. The more info/experience the better.

m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Schermerhorn said:
Cheers, I'm not on the Porsche forums often but you can always get any SICOM updates on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK

PS: Here is a picture of a refurbished Porsche Carbon Ceramic Disc.





As standard, every new refurbished disc will get new nuts and bolts.


Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 22 April 17:35
Excellent.

I do have a question. Is the refurbished rotor returned balanced and fitted to the bell?

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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m33ufo said:
Schermerhorn said:
Cheers, I'm not on the Porsche forums often but you can always get any SICOM updates on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/SicomBRAKESUK

PS: Here is a picture of a refurbished Porsche Carbon Ceramic Disc.





As standard, every new refurbished disc will get new nuts and bolts.


Edited by Schermerhorn on Wednesday 22 April 17:35
Excellent.

I do have a question. Is the refurbished rotor returned balanced and fitted to the bell?
Hi

Yes. First it is removed from the bell. The bell is then inspected and repaired or replaced if neccesary. However, in 99% this is not the case. Instead, the nuts and bolts are replaced in every single case.

Regarding the refurbishment, the process is something like this

- Discs are weighed and depending on wear and wear pattern and rotors are x-rayed and examined for structural damage.
- Brake pad residue or contaminates is chemically steamed off
- Discs are machined until they are level
- Napped are vacuum soaked in polymeric carbon
- Pyrolyze the discs at 1100°C
- The last two steps are repeated three times
- Discs are siliconized at 1500°C
- Top layer (ca. 1mm thick) is now restored, and trough the pyrolysis it is chemically and physically bonded with the structure
- Final sanding of top layer
- Disc is reassembled and weighed once more and precision-balanced
- The disc now has gained about 30-50g and is at desired value once more

I've copied and pasted this from the SICOM site as it's more elaborate than how I would have been able to explain it.

m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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Given that a pair of Alcon steel rotors is going to cost you around £1200 from memory? This looks like the way to go.

Great service.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2015
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m33ufo said:
Given that a pair of Alcon steel rotors is going to cost you around £1200 from memory? This looks like the way to go.

Great service.
Thank you. We're still in infancy stages of a UK commercial venture but if we have enough positive feedback and interest we are totally committed to bringing the SICOM brand over here in a big way.

From experiences so far, the Porsche crowd has recieved us the best biggrin

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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These particular discs are for the E92 M3. We can do the 996 and 997 too. We also have in development discs for the 991 GT3 and Nissan GTR. Essentially the disc part is the same but the bell needs changing. If we need a redesign for the ceramic disc part this is under taken too.

Disc sizes range from 360mm to 410mm. Usual Porsches that we have sold kits for utilise a 380/360mm front-rear set up with these calipers.


























Edited by Schermerhorn on Thursday 23 April 08:20

ClarkPB

818 posts

199 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Very cool!

Just had a quick exchange on Twitter and enquired about a rough price for a set of 4 discs to be refurbed (purely out of curiosity) and it was much cheaper than I'd thought smile

vallance5

181 posts

137 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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How would porsche view refurbished discs in relation to a warranty? Would it void it?

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

188 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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vallance5 said:
How would porsche view refurbished discs in relation to a warranty? Would it void it?
That's a good question.

Brakes are not covered under warranty in most cases as they are a wear and tear item and unless Porsche was to give a specific warranty with their OEM PCCB brakes I can not see how it would affect a warranty.

We have had customers having had refurbishing on 2011/2012 997 Turbo Gen 2 ceramic brakes and as far as I know the warranty has been unaffected.