750 MOTOR CLUB - Summer Endurance Cup 2015
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This sounds like a great entry level endurance race for the clubman driver(s), and great value too for the amount of on-track time.
Allowing 3 drivers makes it a very affordable race weekend over 2 days
More info in the entry pack below with very simple and straightforward tech regs..
Copied from facebook.
750 MOTOR CLUB - A new concept for 2015 is our Summer Endurance Cup which offers a genuine long distance racing experience to clubman drivers competing on a budget. Run to our successful Roadsports technical regulations which split cars into 3 categories based on power to weight ratio, the event is only open to genuine production based cars that do not exceed a bhp/ton of 260. So no fear of continually being forced off the racing line lap after lap by pot hunting heroes in GT3 cars or not being made welcome in the paddock as you don't possess a 40ft articulated transporter and a 3K per weekend rented American RV.............
The event will take place on the 1st/2nd of August at Snetterton, the event will comprise of 4 x sessions.
1 x 20 minute Free Practice
1 x 30 minute Qualifying
1 x 15 minute Morning Warm Up
1 x 150 minute Race.
All for just £595 per team.
Download an entry pack now - http://www.750mc.co.uk/ugc-1/1/1/0/f9a13561-73e8-4...
Allowing 3 drivers makes it a very affordable race weekend over 2 days
More info in the entry pack below with very simple and straightforward tech regs..
Copied from facebook.
750 MOTOR CLUB - A new concept for 2015 is our Summer Endurance Cup which offers a genuine long distance racing experience to clubman drivers competing on a budget. Run to our successful Roadsports technical regulations which split cars into 3 categories based on power to weight ratio, the event is only open to genuine production based cars that do not exceed a bhp/ton of 260. So no fear of continually being forced off the racing line lap after lap by pot hunting heroes in GT3 cars or not being made welcome in the paddock as you don't possess a 40ft articulated transporter and a 3K per weekend rented American RV.............
The event will take place on the 1st/2nd of August at Snetterton, the event will comprise of 4 x sessions.
1 x 20 minute Free Practice
1 x 30 minute Qualifying
1 x 15 minute Morning Warm Up
1 x 150 minute Race.
All for just £595 per team.
Download an entry pack now - http://www.750mc.co.uk/ugc-1/1/1/0/f9a13561-73e8-4...
Keep up at the back, IndigoRallye, my commitment to the CSCC ended 6 months ago and, although I am still a member, I am also a member of the 750 and am now racing ocassionally in Roadsports. This thread has nothing to do with CSCC, though, so not sure I understand your point. For completeness I am also a member of the Clubmans Register.
The 360mrc have tried to kickstart endurance racing for real grassroots racers for several years now and deserve some support. It's a free market but it's a pity that their concept is broadly copied here. Rather than working together. The difference is that 360 are now offering a series of endurance races at well below Btitcar costs rather than just one, for those that want that sort of racing.
ETA, I see that the post that this was a reply to has now been deleted!
The 360mrc have tried to kickstart endurance racing for real grassroots racers for several years now and deserve some support. It's a free market but it's a pity that their concept is broadly copied here. Rather than working together. The difference is that 360 are now offering a series of endurance races at well below Btitcar costs rather than just one, for those that want that sort of racing.
ETA, I see that the post that this was a reply to has now been deleted!
Edited by andy97 on Tuesday 14th April 22:49
andy97 said:
The 360mrc have tried to kickstart endurance racing for real grassroots racers for several years now and deserve some support. It's a free market but it's a pity that their concept is broadly copied here.
Reading threads on fb and looking at the regs its possible your statement might be slightly incorrect.Edited by andy97 on Tuesday 14th April 22:49
The concept seems to come from there own Roadsports mini-endurance series (http://www.750mc.co.uk/formulae/roadsports.htm), It would seem more logical that they are using there own proven platform with minor tweaks and extending the on-track time.
Edited by NBW on Wednesday 15th April 12:32
You can't deny that 360 introduced the grassroots 6 hour race about 5 or 6 years ago and announced their series of 2 and 3 hour races several months ago.
You also can't deny that CSCC were the first club to do the 40 min races as a core product and that this concept was later taken up by MSVR and 750. The basis for the classes may be different but the concept of low cost, club level endurance race on List 1b tyres at sub Britcar levels was there beforehand.
750 has a unique product in the Birkett. Why not do a series of Birkett style races and forge it's own path, and have their own USP, rather than doing what others do?
You also can't deny that CSCC were the first club to do the 40 min races as a core product and that this concept was later taken up by MSVR and 750. The basis for the classes may be different but the concept of low cost, club level endurance race on List 1b tyres at sub Britcar levels was there beforehand.
750 has a unique product in the Birkett. Why not do a series of Birkett style races and forge it's own path, and have their own USP, rather than doing what others do?
The 360MRC races are essentially "Allcomers" races, the 750MC offer is more structured and by using the Roadsports rules specifically targets clubman drivers with more modest machinery. The fastest car by a country mile in the last 360 race was Kevin Clarke's Britcar Championship winning E46 M3 GTR...so the two concepts clearly differ in ethos.
Yes, 360 has a Libre format within certain constraints?
The details may differ but they are both club level endurance races aimed at club level racers and every car in Roadsports is eligible for 360, plus many cars in the Sports Specials, SR and GT, Bernies V8s, all the CSCC series etc etc.
The details may differ but they are both club level endurance races aimed at club level racers and every car in Roadsports is eligible for 360, plus many cars in the Sports Specials, SR and GT, Bernies V8s, all the CSCC series etc etc.
Andy, you say that 360MC introduced 6 hour endurance to grass roots. But in the same post also point out that the 750MC has its own 6 hour race in the Birkett. So in essence 360MC took the idea that was already in place. I looked at 360MC endurance, and the fact they have so many really fast cars which are straight out of Britcar and such like puts me off. And I seem to remember they have cancelled a race or two due to lack of entries.
Im all for a bit of competition it should bring the price down, but as someone has calculated the cost of 360MC seems to be higher. If an idea seems to work of course others will copy it, that's why everyone seems to run a MX5 championship....
I did however think it was a little rude to hijack some ones post.
Im all for a bit of competition it should bring the price down, but as someone has calculated the cost of 360MC seems to be higher. If an idea seems to work of course others will copy it, that's why everyone seems to run a MX5 championship....
I did however think it was a little rude to hijack some ones post.
Mark, the Birkett is a relay, and whilst you can run a couple of cars in a tag format In 360 it's not the same at all. The majority of cars run a true endurance race. One "Britcar" has raced in 360 (but so has a Mark 1 Jag, several Porsche 924s and a Clan Crusader) and the Rollcentre Toyota was also built originally for The Britcar 24 but has appeared inRoadsports so the same principle applies.
If anything 360 took the ""Willhire" concept from about 20 years ago and tried to revive that at a budget level. I'm not aware that 360 have cancelled any races apart from one support race when they were let down by another series organiser, but you may know better than me.
The cost comparison is useful but we may not be comparing like with like. The 750 event is over 2 days for a start, but it is certainly interesting.
My understanding is that the 750 event is a one off. If people are interested in club level endurance events then I think it's reasonable to point out that a small series of events exists throughout the year to enable participants to further that interest if they wish. The 360 event is also open to a wider number of cars fthan the Roadsports, including 7 esque Sports Specials to bernies V8s and people can make up their own whether that is a good thing or not.
If anything 360 took the ""Willhire" concept from about 20 years ago and tried to revive that at a budget level. I'm not aware that 360 have cancelled any races apart from one support race when they were let down by another series organiser, but you may know better than me.
The cost comparison is useful but we may not be comparing like with like. The 750 event is over 2 days for a start, but it is certainly interesting.
My understanding is that the 750 event is a one off. If people are interested in club level endurance events then I think it's reasonable to point out that a small series of events exists throughout the year to enable participants to further that interest if they wish. The 360 event is also open to a wider number of cars fthan the Roadsports, including 7 esque Sports Specials to bernies V8s and people can make up their own whether that is a good thing or not.
Edited by andy97 on Thursday 16th April 00:28
andy97 said:
You can't deny that 360 introduced the grassroots 6 hour race about 5 or 6 years ago and announced their series of 2 and 3 hour races several months ago.
You also can't deny that CSCC were the first club to do the 40 min races as a core product and that this concept was later taken up by MSVR and 750. The basis for the classes may be different but the concept of low cost, club level endurance race on List 1b tyres at sub Britcar levels was there beforehand.
750 has a unique product in the Birkett. Why not do a series of Birkett style races and forge it's own path, and have their own USP, rather than doing what others do?
CSCC was originally a spin off from AMOC. So was AMOC already running 40+ minute races at the time eg Intermarque is 45mins and is one of the UK's oldest sports car championshisps dating back to the 70's. Anyone know whether it is therefore possible that we can actually deny Andy's second statement about CSCC?! 😉You also can't deny that CSCC were the first club to do the 40 min races as a core product and that this concept was later taken up by MSVR and 750. The basis for the classes may be different but the concept of low cost, club level endurance race on List 1b tyres at sub Britcar levels was there beforehand.
750 has a unique product in the Birkett. Why not do a series of Birkett style races and forge it's own path, and have their own USP, rather than doing what others do?
The pedant's revolt:
steeviegeebies said:
CSCC was originally a spin off from AMOC. So was AMOC already running 40+ minute races at the time eg Intermarque is 45mins and is one of the UK's oldest sports car championshisps dating back to the 70's. Anyone know whether it is therefore possible that we can actually deny Andy's second statement about CSCC?! ??
The pedant's revolt:
although the AMOC intermarque has been around way longer than the CSCC, the races used to be much shorter. I think they've only been 45 minute races for around 5 years. The pedant's revolt:
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