z4m - So very tempting.. Help needed.
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Hallo everyone.
I have a bit of a problem that maybe some of you guys might be able to help me with. I am in a tricky position whereby I might need to relocate for work, this would mean selling my flat (not for much, haven't had it for long!) but I would suddenly have roughly 20-25k to 'play' with.
Now, the temptation to go YOLO and splash out on a nice car is of course very tempting. I've owned a z4 3.0i roadster before and loved it, but did over-use it for commuting reasons and if I was to get another BMW it'd need to be a special M car, and another Z. Love the shape, drive and presence it carries.
So... Back to the issue... There are good Caymans available for circa 20k, 25k could even stretch to a 2009 low mile example.
So between a z4m with sub-50k miles (as an investment as well as a weekend or sunny day toy) and a well-kept Cayman... What to go for!
Did think of a lotus or TVR but as i'm only 25, I'd rather wait a while and save more before going for cars like these. I'm after something fast, that'll hold it's value well, and turn heads. Z4m Coupes are catching my eye at the moment with some rather nice examples on the classifieds in the 14-17k region. I'm leaning toward them over the Caymans for the rarity, investment (???) potential and looks!
Cheers, apologies for the essay.
I have a bit of a problem that maybe some of you guys might be able to help me with. I am in a tricky position whereby I might need to relocate for work, this would mean selling my flat (not for much, haven't had it for long!) but I would suddenly have roughly 20-25k to 'play' with.
Now, the temptation to go YOLO and splash out on a nice car is of course very tempting. I've owned a z4 3.0i roadster before and loved it, but did over-use it for commuting reasons and if I was to get another BMW it'd need to be a special M car, and another Z. Love the shape, drive and presence it carries.
So... Back to the issue... There are good Caymans available for circa 20k, 25k could even stretch to a 2009 low mile example.
So between a z4m with sub-50k miles (as an investment as well as a weekend or sunny day toy) and a well-kept Cayman... What to go for!
Did think of a lotus or TVR but as i'm only 25, I'd rather wait a while and save more before going for cars like these. I'm after something fast, that'll hold it's value well, and turn heads. Z4m Coupes are catching my eye at the moment with some rather nice examples on the classifieds in the 14-17k region. I'm leaning toward them over the Caymans for the rarity, investment (???) potential and looks!
Cheers, apologies for the essay.
Pretty sure a Z4M will hold it's value more than Boxsters or Caymans and be cheaper to run in terms of servicing and parts and less likely to go wrong. They're a lot more raw than the Porsches and less polished which is good and bad. I went for the Z wanting something that was a real event to drive, with one of the best engines ever, and love it to bits - despite knowing that the Porsches are the better all rounder and ultimately more accomplished. I'm hoping to keep the Z and eventually get a 911 or new gen Boxster too.
billywhizzzzzz said:
Pretty sure a Z4M will hold it's value more than Boxsters or Caymans and be cheaper to run in terms of servicing and parts and less likely to go wrong. They're a lot more raw than the Porsches and less polished which is good and bad. I went for the Z wanting something that was a real event to drive, with one of the best engines ever, and love it to bits - despite knowing that the Porsches are the better all rounder and ultimately more accomplished. I'm hoping to keep the Z and eventually get a 911 or new gen Boxster too.
i agree with lots of bits you said but the ///M definitely won't be cheaper in terms of servicing and parts. z4///M both roadster and coupe are really moving up for good low mile low owner examples, buy now, buy wisely and you stand to loose nothing and potentially gain.Having had both a 987 Boxster S and a Z4MR I would say that despite both being roadsters they are entirely different propositions. Where the Porsche is really refined, supreme handling and flatters you through the twisties the Z4M is a complete brute. It needs to be man-handled, you've got more power to play with and a slightly agricultural setup. You need to be more awake to how it might behave under load and the balance of inputs when you are making swift progress. Its definitely more 'alive' and a proper driving machine.
The fact is you can pick up a decent Boxster anytime. They are so numerous. They are also at a different stage of the depreciation curve. I think there is an earlier thread here somewhere about the number of Z4M's left. Not many, and fewer still that have been kept standard and have miles on the clock that would be acceptable as a starting point for ownership now. Depreciation looks to have halted, so the residuals looks a lot better than a Boxster (halo models excepted).
In a few years time its highly likely that you won't be able to get in to a Z4M for next to no money as you can now.
So, if its a box you want to tick, I think that opportunity may have a shelf life.
The fact is you can pick up a decent Boxster anytime. They are so numerous. They are also at a different stage of the depreciation curve. I think there is an earlier thread here somewhere about the number of Z4M's left. Not many, and fewer still that have been kept standard and have miles on the clock that would be acceptable as a starting point for ownership now. Depreciation looks to have halted, so the residuals looks a lot better than a Boxster (halo models excepted).
In a few years time its highly likely that you won't be able to get in to a Z4M for next to no money as you can now.
So, if its a box you want to tick, I think that opportunity may have a shelf life.
In terms of rarity and keeping its value, a Z4MC would be a great choice (if you can get one!)
You'd have to get a Gen 2 Cayman if you want to avoid the bore scoring issues and they still have quite a bit of depreciating to do. If you're looking at Porsches there's a bunch of 911 options at that budget (albeit with possible chocolate engines).
You'd have to get a Gen 2 Cayman if you want to avoid the bore scoring issues and they still have quite a bit of depreciating to do. If you're looking at Porsches there's a bunch of 911 options at that budget (albeit with possible chocolate engines).
TFP said:
Having had both a 987 Boxster S and a Z4MR I would say that despite both being roadsters they are entirely different propositions. Where the Porsche is really refined, supreme handling and flatters you through the twisties the Z4M is a complete brute. It needs to be man-handled, you've got more power to play with and a slightly agricultural setup. You need to be more awake to how it might behave under load and the balance of inputs when you are making swift progress. Its definitely more 'alive' and a proper driving machine.
The fact is you can pick up a decent Boxster anytime. They are so numerous. They are also at a different stage of the depreciation curve. I think there is an earlier thread here somewhere about the number of Z4M's left. Not many, and fewer still that have been kept standard and have miles on the clock that would be acceptable as a starting point for ownership now. Depreciation looks to have halted, so the residuals looks a lot better than a Boxster (halo models excepted).
In a few years time its highly likely that you won't be able to get in to a Z4M for next to no money as you can now.
So, if its a box you want to tick, I think that opportunity may have a shelf life.
Exactly why I went for the Z4M. As the post above says, you can get a Cayman anytime. If you want a Z, you need to get one now. If you don't like it, you won't lose money on it. I'm not regretting my decision to get a Z4M over a Boxster S one little bit.The fact is you can pick up a decent Boxster anytime. They are so numerous. They are also at a different stage of the depreciation curve. I think there is an earlier thread here somewhere about the number of Z4M's left. Not many, and fewer still that have been kept standard and have miles on the clock that would be acceptable as a starting point for ownership now. Depreciation looks to have halted, so the residuals looks a lot better than a Boxster (halo models excepted).
In a few years time its highly likely that you won't be able to get in to a Z4M for next to no money as you can now.
So, if its a box you want to tick, I think that opportunity may have a shelf life.
My first post!! I got a Z4m about 1.5 years ago and although I love it, it is very different car to a Cayman. Its very mechanical and you hear/feel everything (which I actually enjoy).
Saying that it feels like an occasion going out in this thing. Agree with the comments above, for me if you want a car that feels "special", z4m, if you want a fast sport cars that is very nice/easy to live with, Cayman.
Obviously running costs are expensive for both cars.
Saying that it feels like an occasion going out in this thing. Agree with the comments above, for me if you want a car that feels "special", z4m, if you want a fast sport cars that is very nice/easy to live with, Cayman.
Obviously running costs are expensive for both cars.
I've driven both and the Porsche wins hands down in terms of handling poise and refinement ,but as has already been said in terms of feeling a bit special ,rarity, depreciation and parts the BMW wins I would suggest . Also you have the issue of being seen in a Porsche and all the crap that brings with it .You need mega deep pockets to run a TVR as a daily .Onr thought perhaps would be a Lotus Europa ,more practical than an Elise ,very rare ,great handling ,bombproof VX engine and done most of its depreciation .
Just collected one yesterday evening - cracking car and great value. As posted above I don't feel anywhere near as self conscious driving it into the client's car park as I would a Cayman. M badges coming off in another day or two - seeing as BMW pastes them everywhere these days they seem superfluous.
AW10 said:
Just collected one yesterday evening - cracking car and great value. As posted above I don't feel anywhere near as self conscious driving it into the client's car park as I would a Cayman. M badges coming off in another day or two - seeing as BMW pastes them everywhere these days they seem superfluous.
Agree, when a regular diesel can carry an M badge, it takes away from the whole M division association to an actual M car.Btw congrats on the purchase!
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