RE: Shed Of The Week: Rover 820Si

RE: Shed Of The Week: Rover 820Si

Friday 17th April 2015

Shed Of The Week: Rover 820Si

Two British cars on the trot? Seemingly Shed's patriotic fervour has no end!



Last week's Jag XJ was a prime example of the 'British effect' - buyers shying away from a superb car because they thought it would be a financial sinkhole.

Ooh, is that Nightfire Red?
Ooh, is that Nightfire Red?
This week's Shed follows on in that glorious tradition. Some might query the presence of the word 'superb' within javelin-throwing distance of a Rover 800 and, like the javelin, they may have a point. But, as with the Jaguar, myth often trumps the truth. This is a better car than you might think. Launched in 1986, the 800 was a joint venture with Honda. Its version was the Legend. Contrary to popular belief, 800s and Legends were never built on the same production line. The Rover was put together at Longbridge, the Legend saloon at Cowley (the 2.7 Coupe being all Japanese).

The 800 hit its sales peak of 54,000 cars one year after launch. From then on, sales followed the normal steady decline to 1998, when it was discontinued. During that 12-year period it found over 317,000 buyers - not too shabby. Seeing an 800 like this one on the road now will give you a clue as to why. They have genuine presence. Our Shed's condition belies its age, suggesting a car that's been garaged all its life and hopefully therefore free of the car-killing rust that would normally make each visit to the MoT station an exercise in tremor control. Paint was very good on post-'96 cars, as was the underseal.

Snow suggests it's been for sale a while!
Snow suggests it's been for sale a while!
But what about under the bonnet? Isn't that where all the trouble is? Well, on one level the 820Si isn't as desirable as a Vitesse Turbo Coupe with its 197hp lump, 0-60 in 7.3sec performance and Torsen LSD. But on another it is, in that its normally-aspirated T-Series (a development of the M-Series four that was a DOHC development of the O-Series from the 70s - keep up) isn't a KV6 motor with its well-documented head gasket problems.

Cambelt replacement is every 60,000 miles/five years on the four-cylinder T engines. It would be surprising if it hadn't already been done on this well-tended car. These engines can develop minor oil leaks from the bottom end, but surely the odd small black stain on the drive is all part of the 20th century retro motoring experience? Better lying there than being crudely burnt by the fairly terrible VM Motori-engined 825SD diesel, anyway.

800s are front wheel drive, but they handle pretty well. Six years before our Shed was built, Tony Pond banged out a 100mph+ lap of the IoM TT course in a standard (allegedly/nearly) Vitesse. It almost certainly had modded suspension and it certainly made a non-standard noise but it was an admirable effort nonetheless.

Immerse yourself in the luxury
Immerse yourself in the luxury
Electrics were notoriously dodgy on 800s. Immobilisers immobilising at the wrong time, alarms going off alarmingly, ECUs not ECUing like they're supposed to. It's not that hard to dig up owners' tales of cruising down the motorway at night and all the electrics going off. But, again, the reality is less scary than the legend. Window problems were usually down to a dry joint on the switch panel or a poor connection at the fuse box. Reflowing the soldered joints in that box will nip more than a few potential electrical issues in the bud. One upside of Rover's flakiness in this department is that flickering electrics can sometimes be re-engaged by nothing more technical than a sharp Fonz-like tap in the right place.

Like the Granada that's up as a YKYWT car just now, this Rover is from an age of high-friction velour upholstery that never quite managed to stay in the place it was meant to, so there's a bit of a rumpled-bed look going on with the parlour-style seats. Corduroy pant wearers, once in, might never get out, but they might be perfectly happy to stay there because those seats are squishily luxurious.

Passengers can enjoy the velour too
Passengers can enjoy the velour too
This ad's been up for a while now, so that five-month MoT isn't going to apply, but Shed reckons that a quick renewal should not be an issue. Judging by pictures alone is never going to tell the full story, as Shed found to his own lasting cost after responding to Mrs Shed's lonely hearts ad, but this specimen does look rather splendid. Keeping any 800 running used to be something of a trial, but nowadays there are plenty of spares around from such as Rimmer Bros.

In the long and sad story of Rover's demise, there's no shortage of scuttlebutt pointing the finger of blame in Munich's direction. Rover model replacements being mysteriously canned by BMW, expensively-developed new Rover and LR platforms being removed, the KV6 redesign of '98 replacing critical metal parts with plastic German ones, and lots of X-Files type theories about brand sabotage and the origin of the 1 Series.

What you choose to believe is down to you, but many industry savants remain of the opinion that Rover's know-how was good enough to bring the company through the murk and back into the light as a thriving marque. With that in mind Shed is disinclined to give this 800 a hearty boot in the privates by categorising it as nothing more than 'Alan Partridge's car'. It's better than that. It's a rolling reminder of a future that could have been. The dealer describes it as a collector's car or a simple low-miler runaround. Both descriptions are fair. It's certainly more than a trash rally car or Le Mans barge, though it would be perfect for either: it's a true five-seater with acres of beer space under that smirk-inducing boot spoiler.

For the uninformed, anything called Rover must be a dog. Even among the less ignorant, many will prefer the Grannie or the Senator. But there's a pleasing grace about the Rover five-door liftback that neither of those had. Against a 10-grand Granada, it's a steal.

Here's the ad.

Red, HPI CLEAR WITH THE SAME GENTLEMAN OWNER FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS WITH GENUINE WARRANTED 60,000 MILES, 5 MONTHS MOT READY TO DRIVE AWAY, 2 owners, Alloy wheels, Central locking, Electric door mirrors, Electric windows, Power steering, Radio, Immobiliser, Airbags. VERY RARE FINE IDEAL COLLECTORS CAR OR JUST A GENUINE LOW MILEAGE CHEAP CAR AT ONLY, £750


 

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tezzer

Original Poster:

983 posts

186 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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If that had a towbar, I'd be mighty tempted, as I can't get one for the Honda accord coupe that was SOTW 3 weeks ago.

Turbodiesel1976

1,957 posts

170 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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That's taking shedding a bit too far ffs

BL Fanboy

339 posts

142 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Yep, as I thought, the instrument binnacle cover has warped up.

"They all do that sir"

PompeyPaul

519 posts

183 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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But it's a Rover.....

Cotic

469 posts

152 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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As far as I can remember, the KV6 never had any head gasket issues; that was an issue with the four-pot only.

Anyhow, Alan Partridge's 'adapted graffiti' Rover 800 has forever tainted these for me.

J4CKO

41,541 posts

200 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Turbodiesel1976 said:
That's taking shedding a bit too far ffs
Why ?

It is a large, comfy saloon, available for £750, it is in decent condition and looks roadworthy, I would say it is the dictionary definition.

Ever driven one ? they were actually ok, not the last word in anything but quite decent transport and I think that they were a decent looker, the Coupe being especially handsome.

I had one briefly, a 2.0 Sporty-ish model with 17 inch alloys and some rather lovely black half leather Recaros, only car I have bought specifically because of the seats but I remember it being better than its reputation, no ball of fire but the 2 litre engine had a decent amount of grunt and it handled pretty well for a big lump. Did a fair few miles in company ones and was always glad when I could snag one instead of a smaller car like an Astra or 214.

People compare them unfavorably to BMW's Mercs and Audis, they were a hell of a lot cheaper, more a Granada/Carlton competitor, more an upscaled 200 series than a genuine premium/luxury alternative, for the same money as a hellish puritan spec E39 518i you could have a bells and whistles Turbo or V6.


muppet42

330 posts

205 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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My Dad almost bought an E-reg silver saloon 820 back in the mid-90s. Would've loved the hilarity of learning to drive in something so relatively massive compared to what he ended up going for...a 1-litre K-plate Uno laugh Had a lot of fun in the latter though, so all was not lost.

Always liked the shape of these though the saloon in the face lift guise looked a little awkward. Folk across from my other half's parents have two ex-police 827 hatchbacks like this and they still look decent. Would I own one though...hmm.

Quhet

2,420 posts

146 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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I have no shame in admitting that I really like the shape of these. Would prefer a vitesse in BRG with cream leather thoughcoollick

SirSquidalot

4,041 posts

165 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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My Dad has had 3 of these, 2 coupes and 1 saloon. They have the comfiest seats i have ever encountered! The 820 turbo coupe was my fave, pretty nippy for a barge!

Scottie - NW

1,288 posts

233 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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I very much look forward to reading the SOTW each Friday, one of the best written ariticles anywhere this week, even if the car is not to taste.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Head gasket always a problem on Rovers.

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Actually not that bad tbh. Comfortable on a cruise. However genuinely terrible ergonomics and a 'that'll do' attitude to much of it.

We used one for a banger rally a number of years back in full Alan Partridge livery biggrin



Write up: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=130...

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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St John Smythe said:
Head gasket always a problem on Rovers.
You didn't put a smiley in. Was that an amusing anecdote, taking the piss out of the ignorant people who believe that all Rovers suffer head gasket problem irrespective of the engine they use?

MadDog1962

890 posts

162 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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These were sheds when they were new.

If was even cheaper it might be worth it as a cheap runaround. Really depends on how likely something major will break over the next 5 months or 5000 miles.

I wouldn't.

LewisR

678 posts

215 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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If I didn't already have an E plate 2.9 Granada Scorpio, I would !

Comapre the running costs of this against a new Fiesta... or anything come to that.

Edited by LewisR on Friday 17th April 09:47

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Mr2Mike said:
You didn't put a smiley in. Was that an amusing anecdote, taking the piss out of the ignorant people who believe that all Rovers suffer head gasket problem irrespective of the engine they use?
We had an 800, the head gasket failed.



Ex Boy Racer

1,151 posts

192 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Had one in the 80's as a company car. Worst car I have ever owned, by a mile.

HorneyMX5

5,309 posts

150 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Used to be a chap in Henley who ran one of these as a Taxi. I can't remember the engine but it was the same colour with full leather and from memory had over 300K on the clock. He used to run me to the airport every couple of weeks and it was a lovely thing to be int he back off despite it being over a decade old at the time.

Uncle John

4,284 posts

191 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Used to drive a Rover Sterling around quite a lot (My first job was with a hire car company)last of the the line with V6 leather and all the toys. I used to like it a lot but it was brand new so expected I suppose. Quite snug on the inside considering it's external size.

You would have to be brave on this one I think and Nightfire doesn't really suit it, black or BRG then they look good IMO.

J4CKO

41,541 posts

200 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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St John Smythe said:
Head gasket always a problem on Rovers.
I remember six cylinder BMW's having HG issues around the same era, fairly common for them to warp the head, but nobody ever remembers that.

The T series engine in these was fairly robust in terms of HG problems compared to the K series, but like any car, it was not totally immune to HG failure.