Let Muslim women wear a full-face veil in court ......

Let Muslim women wear a full-face veil in court ......

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HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Lord Neuberger said:
Let Muslim women wear a full-face veil in court, says head of Supreme Court as he warns over bias against poor and foreign defendants
Lord Neuberger said....

Oh, it's that old show respect lark.

What about watching and looking at the person giving evidence which often helps determine if they may or may not be telling the truth?

What about bikers who are forced to take off their helmets when buying fuel - can they now wear theirs?

Another example of kneeling at the feet and licking the shoes of the religion of peace.

One rule for one rolleyes

55palfers

5,893 posts

163 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Mind you, there has always been bias against poor defendants.
Access to "justice" is the exclusive preserve of the wealthy or those funded via access to the legal aid lottery.

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Pastafarians

To your colanders


Chimune

3,164 posts

222 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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HoHoHo said:
Another example of kneeling at the feet and licking the shoes of the religion of peace.

One rule for one rolleyes
yawn.

defendant wears veil: only possible damage is to their own case. Their problem.
witness wears veil: their evidence is weighted slightly less than others. Who cares ?

All in all: don't see how this will ever effect 99.5% of the uk population.

Grist to the mill for Islamophobes though !

Pickled Piper

6,334 posts

234 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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I think it should be encouraged as well as headscarves etc. That way you can identify people with a particular world view from a distance.


rb5er

11,657 posts

171 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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They need to wear them in case everyone in court wants to pump them due to their dazzling beauty apparently. Even though most see to be the older trogladite type. rolleyes

They let people drive cars wearing that gettup too. It seems obviously dangerous to me.

LucreLout

908 posts

117 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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All this will lead to is EDL types wearing ski masks everywhere as they'll have the exact same basis for doing so, neither being any sort of religious requirement or societal norm.

Facial coverings have no place in British society, and its time they were banned in aid of integration.

GDub44

114 posts

129 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Were a 'Western woman" to be giving evidence in a Middle Eastern court would she be allowed to do so uncovered.....?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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LucreLout said:
All this will lead to is EDL types wearing ski masks everywhere as they'll have the exact same basis for doing so, neither being any sort of religious requirement or societal norm.

Facial coverings have no place in British society, and its time they were banned in aid of integration.
I like many I guess are confused about Islam and why we must integrate rather than the other way around.
At Anfield recently a couple of people took the opportunity to pray at halftime and someone made the comment that it was a disgrace. He is now being hounded for his comment.
So whats the deal here what is integration and who is expected to integrate.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
I like many I guess are confused about Islam and why we must integrate rather than the other way around.
At Anfield recently a couple of people took the opportunity to pray at halftime and someone made the comment that it was a disgrace. He is now being hounded for his comment.
So whats the deal here what is integration and who is expected to integrate.
Someone commented that praying was a disgrace?

Not surprised he is being hounded.



johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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desolate said:
Someone commented that praying was a disgrace?

Not surprised he is being hounded.
no not the praying it was inside the ground during a match if praying was so important and time sensitive why not stay at home.I would have thought it was also a health and safety issue as it was at the bottom of a staircase.

HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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Chimune said:
HoHoHo said:
Another example of kneeling at the feet and licking the shoes of the religion of peace.

One rule for one rolleyes
yawn.

defendant wears veil: only possible damage is to their own case. Their problem.
witness wears veil: their evidence is weighted slightly less than others. Who cares ?

All in all: don't see how this will ever effect 99.5% of the uk population.

Grist to the mill for Islamophobes though !
Sorry - I believe you are wrong for the following reasons:

The face should be clearly seen in a court of law so the laywers/jurors and other pertinant member of said court can see exactly how the person is reacting to questions. I don't stand alone with my thoughts here by a long way.

I don't care if it only effects 0.5% of the population. You live in Great Britain, you live by our rules. As far as I can see there is no reason whatsoever to keep a face covered in that situation.

It's not about Islamaphobes, for the record I have lived in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan and on a personaly level have many friends who are Muslim. Not only am I told to respect their laws, I do so without question, and do you know what...........those I know are normal hard working family and friend orientated normal members of society....shock fecking horror.

Perhaps even though we are trying to integrate all cultures into our society and obviously work together for the good of all common sense should prevail and in this instance it isn't being applied.

It's a rule being changed for the wrong reasons.



Edited by HoHoHo on Friday 17th April 20:14

RichB

51,435 posts

283 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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HoHoHo said:
Chimune said:
HoHoHo said:
Another example of kneeling at the feet and licking the shoes of the religion of peace. One rule for one rolleyes
yawn. defendant wears veil: only possible damage is to their own case. Their problem. witness wears veil: their evidence is weighted slightly less than others. Who cares ? All in all: don't see how this will ever effect 99.5% of the uk population. Grist to the mill for Islamophobes though !
Sorry - I believe you are wrong for the following reasons:

The face should be clearly seen in a court of law so the laywers/jurors and other pertinant member of said court can see exactly how the person is reacting to questions. I don't stand alone with my thoughts here by a long way.

I don't care if it only effects 99.5% of the population. You live in Great Britain, you live by our rules. As far as I can see there is no reason whatsoever to keep a face covered in that situation.

It's not about Islamaphobes, for the record I have lived in Iran, Saudi Arabia and Jordan and on a personaly level have many friends who are Muslim. Not only am I told to respect their laws, I do so without question, and do you know what...........those I know are normal hard working family and friend orientated normal members of society....shock fecking horror.

Perhaps even though we are trying to integrate all cultures into our society and obviously work together for the good of all common sense should prevail and in this instance it isn't being applied.

It's a rule being changed for the wrong reasons.
Well said, nothing to do with being an "islamophobe" more to do with getting justice and the British system, which, people are always saying, is the best in the world. This is totally wrong.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
desolate said:
Someone commented that praying was a disgrace?

Not surprised he is being hounded.
no not the praying it was inside the ground during a match if praying was so important and time sensitive why not stay at home.I would have thought it was also a health and safety issue as it was at the bottom of a staircase.
So it was the breach of health and safety that was a disgrace? I can empathise with that.

JensenA

5,671 posts

229 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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GDub44 said:
Were a 'Western woman" to be giving evidence in a Middle Eastern court would she be allowed to do so uncovered.....?
No the 'Western woman' wouldn't. And your point is?

In this case we are talking about British women aren't we?

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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desolate said:
So it was the breach of health and safety that was a disgrace? I can empathise with that.
I think the question was why was it ok for them to pray in that particular place .Would they have been moved on perhaps if they were just sitting down reading a paper etc.
the bigger question which seems impossible to answer is what is integration.

BGARK

5,493 posts

245 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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The future of courtooms:


johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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BGARK said:
The future of courtooms:

now isnt that integration.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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RichB said:
Well said, nothing to do with being an "islamophobe" more to do with getting justice and the British system, which, people are always saying, is the best in the world. This is totally wrong.
Grevllie Janner certainly thinks British justice is the best in the world.

GDub44

114 posts

129 months

Friday 17th April 2015
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[quote=JensenA]

No the 'Western woman' wouldn't. And your point is?



Pretty obvious I would have thought. But HoHoHo seems to have summed it up just about perfectly.