Rossi - hero or villain in last race
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I'm biased cos I've never liked him. He knew exactly where Marques was and what was most likely to happen if he took the line he 'needed' to. He is too prepared to risk other riders' lives, imho. Cracking race, though. Shame the directors chose to show Marques' tantrum instead of Cal taking 3rd!
Pothole said:
I'm biased cos I've never liked him. He knew exactly where Marques was and what was most likely to happen if he took the line he 'needed' to. He is too prepared to risk other riders' lives, imho. Cracking race, though. Shame the directors chose to show Marques' tantrum instead of Cal taking 3rd!
Sorry fella but that's utter tosh. It was his line to take. MM had the option to get off the throttle which he decided not to.For a reference, have a look at Sofuglu against Cluzel in the Assen WSS race
bass gt3 said:
Pothole said:
I'm biased cos I've never liked him. He knew exactly where Marques was and what was most likely to happen if he took the line he 'needed' to. He is too prepared to risk other riders' lives, imho. Cracking race, though. Shame the directors chose to show Marques' tantrum instead of Cal taking 3rd!
Sorry fella but that's utter tosh. It was his line to take. MM had the option to get off the throttle which he decided not to.For a reference, have a look at Sofuglu against Cluzel in the Assen WSS race
bass gt3 said:
Pothole said:
I'm biased cos I've never liked him. He knew exactly where Marques was and what was most likely to happen if he took the line he 'needed' to. He is too prepared to risk other riders' lives, imho. Cracking race, though. Shame the directors chose to show Marques' tantrum instead of Cal taking 3rd!
Sorry fella but that's utter tosh. It was his line to take. MM had the option to get off the throttle which he decided not to.For a reference, have a look at Sofuglu against Cluzel in the Assen WSS race
MM was slower in the first place, went for a non-existent gap, was behind and had to of expected VR to move over.
MM is known for stuffing it in and forcing his way though, and if anything VR has got inside MM's head a bit as he knows VR won't give way.
Rossi was cleanly in front mid-corner. MM attempted to power past him coming out of the corner, momentarily getting almost alongside but with less rear grip couldnt do it. Rossi goes for his line, which he has been doing all race and MM tried to also occupy the same line.
I'm not sure why people are trying to portion the blame here; both were to blame for simply being there and neither were to blame because it was a simple raicng incident, seen many times before. If anyone deserves a finger pointed at them for the crash, its MM, who should have been more clever about it and less red-mist about it, waiting for a better moment when everything was more settled and there was a clear gap to pass back.
But the reality is MM had over 4 seconds lead, which was reduced to nothing. At one point, rossi took almost a second a lap out of him.
Rossi was always going past. MM could have just conceeded and got some good points, but instead he chose to make a show of it like his hero Rossi would do and ended up on the deck.
Championships have been decided by a single point, sometimes a half-point. MM may come to rue not collecting even a point from Argentina.
I'm not sure why people are trying to portion the blame here; both were to blame for simply being there and neither were to blame because it was a simple raicng incident, seen many times before. If anyone deserves a finger pointed at them for the crash, its MM, who should have been more clever about it and less red-mist about it, waiting for a better moment when everything was more settled and there was a clear gap to pass back.
But the reality is MM had over 4 seconds lead, which was reduced to nothing. At one point, rossi took almost a second a lap out of him.
Rossi was always going past. MM could have just conceeded and got some good points, but instead he chose to make a show of it like his hero Rossi would do and ended up on the deck.
Championships have been decided by a single point, sometimes a half-point. MM may come to rue not collecting even a point from Argentina.
https://youtu.be/NYIkzcBUMzk
I'm a fan of both but How any one can blame Rossi is beyond me. It was front wheel to back wheel in the middle of a right left flick. It's not like they were side by side or o. A straight bit.
Great race from Rossi.
I'm a fan of both but How any one can blame Rossi is beyond me. It was front wheel to back wheel in the middle of a right left flick. It's not like they were side by side or o. A straight bit.
Great race from Rossi.
Pothole said:
I'm biased cos I've never liked him. He knew exactly where Marques was and what was most likely to happen if he took the line he 'needed' to. He is too prepared to risk other riders' lives, imho.
Wow. Ballsy and ignorant statement. If there was one person you thought was a villain to the rest of the paddock, Rossi would be the last of them all. His respect for the sport, racecraft, fans, and other riders has to be amongst the highest. That's why there is normally nothing but praise for him from everyone. The only exceptions being those he has beaten - cue Gibernau, Stoner, Lorenzo...
spareparts said:
Pothole said:
I'm biased cos I've never liked him. He knew exactly where Marques was and what was most likely to happen if he took the line he 'needed' to. He is too prepared to risk other riders' lives, imho.
Wow. Ballsy and ignorant statement. If there was one person you thought was a villain to the rest of the paddock, Rossi would be the last of them all. His respect for the sport, racecraft, fans, and other riders has to be amongst the highest.
As I saw it.
Rossi passed Marquez into the hairpin, Marquez saw it coming and took a wide line in to cut back if Rossi missed the apex, Rossi didn't miss the apex and Marquez put himself in a tight spot where there was some contact (nothing bad) but this pushed Rossi wide on the exit and off line for the next left, Marquez behind and to the right of Rossi was on the racing line for the next corner, Rossi to make the next left had to move a little more to the right or throttle off (or run very wide on the exit). Rossi was ahead and moved right to take the line into the next left and his rear and Marquez's front touched. I'm sure if Marquez sees it he would say he should have moved further right himself instead of staying on the line. But happening so fast it's easy to not take it in at the time.
Rossi passed Marquez into the hairpin, Marquez saw it coming and took a wide line in to cut back if Rossi missed the apex, Rossi didn't miss the apex and Marquez put himself in a tight spot where there was some contact (nothing bad) but this pushed Rossi wide on the exit and off line for the next left, Marquez behind and to the right of Rossi was on the racing line for the next corner, Rossi to make the next left had to move a little more to the right or throttle off (or run very wide on the exit). Rossi was ahead and moved right to take the line into the next left and his rear and Marquez's front touched. I'm sure if Marquez sees it he would say he should have moved further right himself instead of staying on the line. But happening so fast it's easy to not take it in at the time.
Tim85 said:
https://youtu.be/NYIkzcBUMzk
I'm a fan of both but How any one can blame Rossi is beyond me. It was front wheel to back wheel in the middle of a right left flick. It's not like they were side by side or o. A straight bit.
Great race from Rossi.
First time I've seen that as I'm out of the UK at the moment - I fail to see how Rossi was remotely at fault for that at all.I'm a fan of both but How any one can blame Rossi is beyond me. It was front wheel to back wheel in the middle of a right left flick. It's not like they were side by side or o. A straight bit.
Great race from Rossi.
Totally MM's fault, an obvious red mist moment, during which he momentarily rode like an utter wnakpiece. Youth loses out to experience.
Completely baffled by the comments about Rossi always being willing to risk other peoples lives - what race series would that be in then, certainly not one that I've ever watched? Evidence? Examples? A few hard passes here and there, for sure, but as many commentators have observed over the years, it's bike racing, not a knitting circle.
Completely baffled by the comments about Rossi always being willing to risk other peoples lives - what race series would that be in then, certainly not one that I've ever watched? Evidence? Examples? A few hard passes here and there, for sure, but as many commentators have observed over the years, it's bike racing, not a knitting circle.
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