Turbo cooked Oil?

Turbo cooked Oil?

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LongBaz463BHP

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2,090 posts

217 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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After a great weekend at Shakey, it appears I have cooked my oil after 4 runs on the strip. Checked the level before leaving and it was clear on the dipstick having only done about 150 miles since the oil change, Valvoline 20/50. However changing the oil last night it was as black as your hat. I suppose the increased heat generated by the turbo has cooked it.
I have had a suggestion on what to use but I throw it out to you chaps to offer advice and any suggestions.
Thanks
Barrie

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Interesting.

Why should that be?

The oil shouldn't become contaminated by the turbo and the heat generated after one run at a time is minimal.

Mine heats up really quickly and at Shakey, oil temp was say 75 at the beginning of a run and was 92 at the end so far from being a worry.

I've seen 115 degrees on track pre bigger cooler.

It sounds like your oil is contaminated, turbo seal?

chimyellow

363 posts

259 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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phazed said:
Interesting.

Why should that be?

The oil shouldn't become contaminated by the turbo and the heat generated after one run at a time is minimal.

Mine heats up really quickly and at Shakey, oil temp was say 75 at the beginning of a run and was 92 at the end so far from being a worry.

I've seen 115 degrees on track pre bigger cooler.

It sounds like your oil is contaminated, turbo seal?
+1
Even if you boil oil its colour does not change much and certainly does not go black.
Sounds like contamination.

Pupp

12,217 posts

272 months

Thursday 23rd April 2015
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Carbon from combustion products in blow-by gases being forced past the rings. Be surprising if it didn't happen; oil does need changing more often on blown motors.

You'd smell it a mile away if you'd burnt the oil but you're wise to be wary of excessive oil temperatures. Mine was hitting 120deg with little effort without a cooler (which is not dangerous in itself but offers but too little headroom for my taste), now pretty stable in mid 90s (only seen it once above 100) with a 19 row Mocal in the flat panel in front of the rad (ie lying horizontalish and taking air from the nose void)

LongBaz463BHP

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2,090 posts

217 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Thanks for the replies so for. What oil do you use Pupp.

Pupp

12,217 posts

272 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Valvoline VR1 5w50 fully synthetic
Eurocarparts often seem to have an offer on it

LongBaz463BHP

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217 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Thanks Pupp that is the second vote for VR1 5/50. Will get some this weekend, as only bought some cheap stuff as a flush through.
Cheers
Barrie

sapper

1,133 posts

205 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Valvoline 20/50 for me

macdeb

8,508 posts

255 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Baz, it sounds like contamination to me TBH. Blow-by [and possibly fuel]?

LongBaz463BHP

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217 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Pupp said:
Valvoline VR1 5w50 fully synthetic
Eurocarparts often seem to have an offer on it
Just ordered some from Ebay £39.54 for 5ltr with free p&p.

The blow-by theory seems to make sense, does that mean new rings.

macdeb

8,508 posts

255 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Possibly mate, long term. If you think about it you now have 10 psi being fed to a CR of 10:1 and that will create huge cylinder pressure. It has to go somewhere if not where we'd like it to.

phazed

21,844 posts

204 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Damm these turbo negatives!

macdeb

8,508 posts

255 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Bloke, press on the loud pedal and there are no negatives with a turbo evil

Boosted LS1

21,183 posts

260 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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I used to use 20/50. Can't say I had blowby or cooking problems. The problem was getting a decent api specification. In the end I stopped buying synthetic as I'd found a source for genuine Ford approved 20/50. I hated the thin oils that were available, or rather, my engine did.

Eta, if the engines over fuelling the oil will stink of petrol as well as having carbon particulates in it.

LongBaz463BHP

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217 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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phazed said:
Damm these turbo negatives!
I know where you are coming from Peter. What you have to take in to consideration is that I have stuck a turbo on to a standard engine that has never been taken. I anticipated that thing might happen, to that end I was prepared for a refresh at some point. As Mack has said the results are worth every penny. I am more than happy from the results and if all it needs is a freshen up, happy days. I was thinking of having to buy a new short engine at some point.....Cos 5ltr engines always break their cranks, don't they ;-)

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Get a leak down test carried out Baz, you may find all you need is a 're-ring and a set of bearings, I would be gob smacked if your motor needs boring,pistons or crank grind in fact it may be a crankcase breathing issue that needs addressing

SILICONEKID345HP

14,997 posts

231 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Sardonicus said:
Get a leak down test carried out Baz, you may find all you need is a 're-ring and a set of bearings, I would be gob smacked if your motor needs boring,pistons or crank grind in fact it may be a crankcase breathing issue that needs addressing
You are a TVR specialist ,do you repair ,service and upgrade TVR`s for a living ?

Sardonicus

18,957 posts

221 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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SILICONEKID345HP said:
You are a TVR specialist ,do you repair ,service and upgrade TVR`s for ag living ?
No, I can make my money easier and faster working on Euro boxes and current technology.