Call Of Duty: Black Ops 3

[LeadFarmer]

Baryonyx said:

I've seen a video of the re-imagined Nuketown and it looks dreadful, I really don't like the makeover they've given it. Lights on the floors, what is that all about? But in terms of build, it's always been a great map. Much loved by players because the score came fast and easy, yet as I've mentioned, more interesting to play because the cover opposed the main sightlines. I always enjoyed playing it on the previous games, so I was really disappointed to see that it hadn't made it into this game. I thought when I ordered a copy from Amazon months ago, that they had promised Nuketown for orders before release. I was surprised not to get it, and it just feels like another slap in the face from a franchise that has lazily relied on pre-orders for a long time.

Once you get used to the new look, Nuk3town is as great/mad/intense as it ever was,

The official COD website actually stated that Nuk3town came with preorders from Amazon & Game. On Games website they made it clear that their preorders came with Nuk3town, but Amazon made no mention of it at all. There was lots of confusion over which stores were including Nuk3town. I played safe and purchased from Game, but I paid £5 above Amazons price, so not actually a free map.

I share your frustration, it was badly promoted and we were all conned. I won't trust anything that COD says in the future, they have deceived us all. That said, I'm really enjoying BLOPS3 and with their Double XP weekend I didn't play Star Wars Battlefront once. Im enjoying the new Safeguard mode, and have actually got used to the stupid jump boost feature that I hated in Advanced Warfare.

Edited by LeadFarmer on Monday 23 November 20:01

[C.A.R.]

I got Nuk3town with my COD / 500GB ps4 bundle, code included inside the case. Not that I think it's any good, every game I've played so far has been plagued with campers hiding in the extreme corners behind cover which wasn't there in previous versions of the map (I believe they were originally bushes which didn't serve as cover and could be shot thru). Instead, players hiding by either parked car or these new "pockets" which have been seemingly designed specifically for camping, simply fire across the map preventing anyone from leaving the spawn. They kill you, typically, before you've even seen them.

I'm persevering, have unlocked the tomahawk which is great fun although not as "instant" as the previous iteration, so using it requires planning. It's still fun when you get a long distance kill or chain a few together using the scavenger perk, thereby constantly replenishing your axe supply!

I've improved significantly in gunfights simply by swapping the R2/L2 with R1/L1. It didn't even dawn on me at first, but the default setting is actually opposite to COD of old, and it works much better using the shoulder buttons rather than the triggers for ADS/Fire. I can't actually see what benefit having them the other way around would offer.

The semi-automatic rifle is pretty good too, and suits my style better (ie aiming and shooting down sights, rather than spraying and praying and hoping for the best - which is sadly all-too effective in this game). It's called the Shieva or something.

[xjay1337]

Adamantium84 said:

I don't know where you were reading but that's wrong.

Traditionally cod was always p2p on console until aw.

Aw has dedicated servers as does bo3.

Lag compensation is present in all online games regardless of whether there are dedicated servers or p2p.

Lag compensation is necessary as everybody in the game has a different ping time to the host and this works to even that out.

These are basics of networking.

Aw did have skill based matchmaking but it still took region into account first.

Bo3 doesn't have skill based matchmaking.

If you are worried about being matched with people far away, buy a router which allows you to define this.

Edited by Adamantium84 on Saturday 21st November 22:05

And how would you be able to configure your ROUTER to dictate where you are plonked in the game.
You can't.
I am a networking engineer for 8 years.
Trumps your "I used to play games fairly well".

While however I do agree with you to a point I think a lot of this is in peoples minds in terms of, they set off on the wrong foot and end up having a ste game and blame the game.

TonyTony said:

From reading up about the Cod servers I thought the servers were peer to peer with lag compensation built into the network system for the game..

AW was even worse because the matchmaking was solely skill based and didn't take into account regions whatsoever.

AW was seriously iffy and BO3 seems to feel the same way, you can see a guy pop around the corner and before you aim at them they can kill you instantly, while on the kill cam he's hit you with a good few second burst.

Battlefield 4 you get none of the 'lag compensation' issues and they are dedicated servers so it makes sense right?

I do agree with you regarding the before you can even see someone then you are dead. that is very annoying.
used to play BF4 all the time and didn't have that issue and was CONSISTENTLY top 3 in each lobby. cod I'm lucky get get an even KD ratio
but that's just me.

[Flat-out]

I can't believe I am being sucked into this, but, ahem:-

https://netduma.com/

I've got this on order solely because of the stated ability to restrict matchmaking by geographical location (which I am hoping will improve my ping... whatever that means ). I'm not saying it works. Nor am I saying the other stated features work. However, the website talks the talk and reviews seem to back it up. Only £150, so not earth-shattering money.

Should be delivered today/tomorrow so I'll post up my thoughts.

Right. Back to reading the debate through my fingers(!)

[TonyTony]

Flat-out said:

I can't believe I am being sucked into this, but, ahem:-

https://netduma.com/

I've got this on order solely because of the stated ability to restrict matchmaking by geographical location (which I am hoping will improve my ping... whatever that means ). I'm not saying it works. Nor am I saying the other stated features work. However, the website talks the talk and reviews seem to back it up. Only £150, so not earth-shattering money.

Should be delivered today/tomorrow so I'll post up my thoughts.

Right. Back to reading the debate through my fingers(!)

Interesting! Looks a bit complicated though.

Give us a review when you have it running!

[Speckle]

Flat-out said:

I can't believe I am being sucked into this, but, ahem:-

https://netduma.com/

I've got this on order solely because of the stated ability to restrict matchmaking by geographical location (which I am hoping will improve my ping... whatever that means ). I'm not saying it works. Nor am I saying the other stated features work. However, the website talks the talk and reviews seem to back it up. Only £150, so not earth-shattering money.

Should be delivered today/tomorrow so I'll post up my thoughts.

Right. Back to reading the debate through my fingers(!)

Yes but, assuming it works as advertised, you will have no excuse for your poor performances

I quite like the fact that I can blame lag for my absolutely terrible performance in COD so far (it isn't lag, it's mostly me and my 43 year old tortoise-like reactions! My twitch reflex is measured in minutes, not milliseconds.)

[TonyTony]

Speckle said:

Yes but, assuming it works as advertised, you will have no excuse for your poor performances

I quite like the fact that I can blame lag for my absolutely terrible performance in COD so far (it isn't lag, it's mostly me and my 43 year old tortoise-like reactions! My twitch reflex is measured in minutes, not milliseconds.)

I do ok, generally just hit 1.0 K/d most of the time, think my overall is 1.08 at the moment.

I'm even using an Elite controller and I have the hair trigger locks on and changed the trigger deadzones in the app to the very top anyway so its instant fire.

Even though I can feel the gun is firing faster to my input of the controller it seems to be giving me no benefit on the game, face off with the same gun and even I'm aiming dead on target waiting for them to come around the corner and I still get whacked.

[Baryonyx]

C.A.R. said:

The semi-automatic rifle is pretty good too, and suits my style better (ie aiming and shooting down sights, rather than spraying and praying and hoping for the best - which is sadly all-too effective in this game). It's called the Shieva or something.

That should be an earlier unlock. By level 38, I was just grinding out to the finish on the supreme Man O War, and I had no interest in trying the Sheiva. I used it a bit in the campaign and it was pretty good, but probably not suited to the sorts of MP in Black Ops 3. I came up against it a few times in MP, but never found it a real thread. Close up, even the chugging fire rate of the MOW could spam the Sheiva user out, and over mid to long range the accuracy of the MOW still made me a contender.

It's a bit of a shame that the semi-automatic rifle has become a novelty in these games. Going back (again) to the high point of the series, WaW, the rifles were supreme. You had the semi autos, that were so versatile and a joy to use, and deadly bolt actions that rewarded skill but never felt gimped (especially since you could use them with iron sights for maximum versatility). The balance was so spot on there you could drop in with an SMG, adapt your playstyle to use the maps to get closer to the enemy and take them out up close. There isn't really any nuance like that in BO3.

[bluenosewrx]

MOW is a awesome gun, pretty much steady as well, my KD is a poor 1.18 as of above reasons, one great game, one poor game and one average seem the norm.

aquarium is my favourite map, that train station thing being the worst

[franki68]

the shiva is great,of course its a 2 shot kill weapon which means often I have to make 4 shots to kill someone ,but anyway for playing slowly its a good gun,and I think when I unlock rapid fire its going to be rather lethal.

Aside form lag issues Game is being ruined by that fking sniper rifle that can spray ,I mean giving people a one hit spray machine ?????? Whoever came up with that needs a brain .

[xjay1337]

Flat-out said:

I can't believe I am being sucked into this, but, ahem:-

https://netduma.com/

I've got this on order solely because of the stated ability to restrict matchmaking by geographical location (which I am hoping will improve my ping... whatever that means ). I'm not saying it works. Nor am I saying the other stated features work. However, the website talks the talk and reviews seem to back it up. Only £150, so not earth-shattering money.

Should be delivered today/tomorrow so I'll post up my thoughts.

Right. Back to reading the debate through my fingers(!)

Can't see how that would work on a console.
Where the match making is purely based on ping to their servers.
Be very interested to see how it works.
But it won't turn a ste player into a bad one
My ping is usually 20-60 in game which is fine (on the ps4)
Anything up to about 150 is fine and easily dealt with using interpolation.

[Flat-out]

Speckle said:

Yes but, assuming it works as advertised, you will have no excuse for your poor performances

Get bent! Seriously, dude, where have you been? You've missed out on Mars raging, double XP weekend on COD, some epic Battlefront rounds and Mars raging.

Tony- I will do. I'm intrigued to see if it will improve my connection. I am notorious for being a red-bar on most games and have a generally poor 2mb connection. A candle in the wind is that somebody with a similar history says this thing has made a big improvement. We'll see.

Back to the game, I've moved away from the HVK and started using the Locus. Lots of fun.

[Flat-out]

xjay1337 said:

Can't see how that would work on a console.
Where the match making is purely based on ping to their servers.

I'm hoping it does, but I'll believe it when I see it (and I'll make HUGE allowances for placebo). If it doesn't work, it'll be going back.

[Speckle]

Flat-out said:

Get bent! Seriously, dude, where have you been? You've missed out on Mars raging, double XP weekend on COD, some epic Battlefront rounds and Mars raging.

I've had a decidedly dodgy internet connection up until yesterday (got fibre at last!!) so, should be on a bit more now. I was on occasionally over the weekend, got a fair bit of the campaign done with Anton and his kids which was great fun. The MP is starting to wear me down though, it is just too quick for my poor brain/reactions to keep up with.

Battlefront is on the Xmas list so, that'll have to wait a few weeks.

Who knows, we may even find ourselves on Destiny again one of these days...

[xjay1337]

Flat-out said:

I'm hoping it does, but I'll believe it when I see it (and I'll make HUGE allowances for placebo). If it doesn't work, it'll be going back.

Haha nice.
Keep us updated!

I remember back in the days of Counter Strike Source on the PC we used to faff around in the source console setting all sorts of interpolation and refresh rates and capping ping and at the time I used to think differently but now I think it was all in my head haha

[Flat-out]

Speckle said:

The MP is starting to wear me down though, it is just too quick for my poor brain/reactions to keep up with.

You're not the only one! My K/D was hovering around 1 but has taken a significant nose-dive of late. This is just so quick and the time to kill so much shorter than Destiny. Luckily, I don't take it so seriously. Between this and SW (much more forgiving and fun), I am set for the next month or two.

I also have Just Cause 3 on pre-order as I KNOW that those ts will hack PSN again this Christmas. I'll need a mainly single player game to keep me occupied. Well. That, and I saw this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93VROFKeqq0

SOLD!

[Speckle]

Flat-out said:

You're not the only one! My K/D was hovering around 1 but has taken a significant nose-dive of late. This is just so quick and the time to kill so much shorter than Destiny. Luckily, I don't take it so seriously. Between this and SW (much more forgiving and fun), I am set for the next month or two.

I also have Just Cause 3 on pre-order as I KNOW that those ts will hack PSN again this Christmas. I'll need a mainly single player game to keep me occupied. Well. That, and I saw this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93VROFKeqq0

SOLD!

I think my KD is around 0.53 (I had to drag it up from an initial 0.39 which took forever after so many bad games!) It really shouldn't bother me as much as it does, it's just a game, right?

Speaking of offline game availability, it is the custom bot matches that have made this game for me. Having had connection problems most of last week, I've spent a fair bit of time playing offline multiplayer. It is far from perfect and the AI will never replicate the sneaky campers or creative gameplay that you see online but, it is still lots of fun (and is also the only place I will ever get to use most of the scorestreaks or see myself at the top of the leaderboard!) Plus of course, there is no lag to worry about.

I must say though, cow boosting looks like fun

[Adamantium84]

xjay1337 said:

Adamantium84 said:

I don't know where you were reading but that's wrong.

Traditionally cod was always p2p on console until aw.

Aw has dedicated servers as does bo3.

Lag compensation is present in all online games regardless of whether there are dedicated servers or p2p.

Lag compensation is necessary as everybody in the game has a different ping time to the host and this works to even that out.

These are basics of networking.

Aw did have skill based matchmaking but it still took region into account first.

Bo3 doesn't have skill based matchmaking.

If you are worried about being matched with people far away, buy a router which allows you to define this.

Edited by Adamantium84 on Saturday 21st November 22:05

And how would you be able to configure your ROUTER to dictate where you are plonked in the game.
You can't.
I am a networking engineer for 8 years.
Trumps your "I used to play games fairly well".

While however I do agree with you to a point I think a lot of this is in peoples minds in terms of, they set off on the wrong foot and end up having a ste game and blame the game.

TonyTony said:

From reading up about the Cod servers I thought the servers were peer to peer with lag compensation built into the network system for the game..

AW was even worse because the matchmaking was solely skill based and didn't take into account regions whatsoever.

AW was seriously iffy and BO3 seems to feel the same way, you can see a guy pop around the corner and before you aim at them they can kill you instantly, while on the kill cam he's hit you with a good few second burst.

Battlefield 4 you get none of the 'lag compensation' issues and they are dedicated servers so it makes sense right?

I do agree with you regarding the before you can even see someone then you are dead. that is very annoying.
used to play BF4 all the time and didn't have that issue and was CONSISTENTLY top 3 in each lobby. cod I'm lucky get get an even KD ratio
but that's just me.

As has been pointed out, by using a netduma router.

But as a networking engineer you know all about this kind of product.

As I stated, I am an IT consultant, so have an idea what I'm talking about.

And yes it is proven to work on console. I have tested it but find that it isn't really needed for me in this game. I find good lobbies anyway.

I look forward to your apology.

Edit to say: thank you for at least agreeing with something ive said. You are the first to do so.

I honestly just get annoyed when people slate something for the wrong reasons, based on a fallacy they read somewhere online and have no real understanding of.

Edited by Adamantium84 on Tuesday 24th November 14:57

[xjay1337]

Lol, I am not apologising to you.

[Adamantium84]

xjay1337 said:

Lol, I am not apologising to you.

Figures, no-one else in here likes to admit when they're wrong either.