991 GT3 whooped by 991 Turbo S Silverstone yesterday

991 GT3 whooped by 991 Turbo S Silverstone yesterday

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TrackTwit

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Friday 1st May 2015
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One of my track day buddies driving his 991 GT3, who also races outside our track day group of mates and is bloody quick, got his ass handed to him yesterday by a very well driven 991 Turbo S. My buddy drove its wheels off again, as he usually does, needing to repalce the tyres again part way through the day, but still had no answer!
After 'Anglesey Gate' this week as well its a pretty bad week for the GT3, or is it wrong to expect the GT3 to be quicker on a track than the Turbo?

Edited by TrackTwit on Friday 1st May 11:11

DMC2

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Friday 1st May 2015
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Awaits backlash...

Skittles001

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Friday 1st May 2015
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TrackTwit said:
One of my track day buddies driving his 991 GT3, who also races outside our track day group of mates and is bloody quick, got his ass handed to him yesterday by a very well driven 991 Turbo S. My buddy drove its wheels off again, as he usually does, needing to repalce the tyres again part way through the day, but still had no answer!
After 'Anglesey Gate' this week as well its a pretty bad week for the GT3, or is it wrong to expect the GT3 to be quicker on a track than the Turbo?

Edited by TrackTwit on Friday 1st May 11:11
Sorry if I'm being slow but what was Anglesey Gate?

Mark A S

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Again, I am not surprised. Turbo has a lot more torque and better traction, and no doubt handles probably as well [ I have not driven either ]
Be interesting to see a comparison at a tight twisty track, like Cadwell etc, I suspect the Turbo will still come out on Top.

IMO the GT cars need to be smaller and lighter with 500 bhp smile

DMC2

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Skittles001 said:
Sorry if I'm being slow but what was Anglesey Gate?
The timed test where the turbo beat the GT3 round Anglesey.

TrackTwit

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DMC2 said:
Skittles001 said:
Sorry if I'm being slow but what was Anglesey Gate?
The timed test where the turbo beat the GT3 round Anglesey.
Yes, there is a thread on here with the links to the YouTube clips. A tight and twisty track, and the Turbo monsters a Speciale, as well as demolishing the GT3 lap time.

The difference in initial list price possibly demonstrates the performance difference, but the prices today of both cars dont add up if all factors are considered? The market does funny things at times.

isaldiri

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DMC2 said:
Awaits backlash...

sidicks

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TrackTwit said:
One of my track day buddies driving his 991 GT3, who also races outside our track day group of mates and is bloody quick, got his ass handed to him yesterday by a very well driven 991 Turbo S. My buddy drove its wheels off again, as he usually does, needing to repalce the tyres again part way through the day, but still had no answer!
After 'Anglesey Gate' this week as well its a pretty bad week for the GT3, or is it wrong to expect the GT3 to be quicker on a track than the Turbo?
It shouldn't be a surprise that, in certain conditions and on some tracks, the Turbo S will be as fast or faster than the GT3 - the power-to-weight is very similar for both cars and of course the Turbo has the benefit of 4WD.

Whether the Turbo S can do it consistently rather than just for a few laps before needing to stop is less clear, although may not be relevant.

As we are frequently told, for most people it is about enjoyment rather than ultimate lap times, so perhaps that should be considered too?!

jackal

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Friday 1st May 2015
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When I choose a car these days I generally look for a nice interior, a pleasing odour inside the cabin and a curbside image that resonates with the deepest recesses of my persona.

gerlewis

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Could Porsche be trying to position the Turbo as the top dog to pave the way for their new Turbo engined 991 Replacements?


sidicks

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TrackTwit said:
Yes, there is a thread on here with the links to the YouTube clips. A tight and twisty track, and the Turbo monsters a Speciale, as well as demolishing the GT3 lap time.
The Turbo S lap time being in the dry, whereas the GT3 lap time being in very wet / greasy conditions...?!

TrackTwit

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sidicks said:
TrackTwit said:
One of my track day buddies driving his 991 GT3, who also races outside our track day group of mates and is bloody quick, got his ass handed to him yesterday by a very well driven 991 Turbo S. My buddy drove its wheels off again, as he usually does, needing to repalce the tyres again part way through the day, but still had no answer!
After 'Anglesey Gate' this week as well its a pretty bad week for the GT3, or is it wrong to expect the GT3 to be quicker on a track than the Turbo?
It shouldn't be a surprise that, in certain conditions and on some tracks, the Turbo S will be as fast or faster than the GT3 - the power-to-weight is very similar for both cars and of course the Turbo has the benefit of 4WD.

Whether the Turbo S can do it consistently rather than just for a few laps before needing to stop is less clear, although may not be relevant.

As we are frequently told, for most people it is about enjoyment rather than ultimate lap times, so perhaps that should be considered too?!
Yes and for this reason I have a 991 RS on order, I believe it will provide me with bigger smiles than a Turbo S or GT3, but i must admit that smile could go very quickly if i get passed on track by a Turbo S! If the Trubo S can do this lap after lap, the tyres and brakes not melting, then with the additonal interior plush it could be the machine to have.
I am genuinely hoping the RS will be so much fun and be so addictive that out right speed will not be a factor for me, but hey i guess we all love the 'speed rush' element of these things if we are totally honest.

IMIA

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isaldiri said:
DMC2 said:
Awaits backlash...
hehe

stewart rix

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jackal said:
When I choose a car these days I generally look for a nice interior, a pleasing odour inside the cabin
So you'd walk on past anything with a christmas tree smelly hanging from the rear view mirror, despite its ability to do a banzai lap of the Nurburgring? biggrin

DT398

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sidicks said:
It shouldn't be a surprise that, in certain conditions and on some tracks, the Turbo S will be as fast or faster than the GT3 - the power-to-weight is very similar for both cars and of course the Turbo has the benefit of 4WD.

Whether the Turbo S can do it consistently rather than just for a few laps before needing to stop is less clear, although may not be relevant.

As we are frequently told, for most people it is about enjoyment rather than ultimate lap times, so perhaps that should be considered too?!
I think you mean most or almost all tracks instead of "some"
Why would the Turbo S need to stop after a few laps? (edited to add: just read the post below!)
The 991 Gt3 is way more fun to drive than the Turbo S but if it's about fun and not lap times, try a 997GT3 or 996 GT3 or something even more "fun" than that.


Edited by DT398 on Friday 1st May 12:52

Kav1

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TrackTwit said:
One of my track day buddies driving his 991 GT3, who also races outside our track day group of mates and is bloody quick, got his ass handed to him yesterday by a very well driven 991 Turbo S. My buddy drove its wheels off again, as he usually does, needing to repalce the tyres again part way through the day, but still had no answer!
After 'Anglesey Gate' this week as well its a pretty bad week for the GT3, or is it wrong to expect the GT3 to be quicker on a track than the Turbo?

Edited by TrackTwit on Friday 1st May 11:11
TrackTwit your mate can sure pedal ! We had some fun out there and it was sure an interesting and revealing battle. Over a lap Turbo S has the edge I would say and if both cars had the same Cup Sports tyres the gap would be bigger still . I've owned a 991 GT3 also and always thought it would be extremely close around Silverstone having taken both cars around My observations were through slower corners GT3 wins hands down. front end turn in is considerably better and despite the 4wd your mate in the GT3 could get back on the power a tad earlier than I could in Turbo S. In the faster corners Turbo S had the edge, it had the same rear wheel steer and even more stability than the GT3. Under braking Nothing in it and on The Pit and Hanger Straight Turbo S had a couple of car lengths in hand. High Speed directional changes through Becketts and Maggots GT3 had the edge. Over all for 2 such different cars amazing matched over a flat out lap. I would still rather had been in my GT3 though ! The biggest difference is it feels built for the track where Turbo S shows its extra weight and after 10 hard laps with all the heat build up feels like it needs a cool down where as GT3 feels like it can carry on all day! Must do it again sometime.

Edited by Kav1 on Friday 1st May 13:31

sidicks

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DT398 said:
I think you mean most or almost all tracks instead of "some"
No, I mean some. Thanks.

DT398 said:
Why would the Turbo S need to stop after a few laps?
For reasons I thought would be obvious - see the post above.


DT398 said:
The 991 Gt3 is way more fun to drive than the Turbo S but if it's about fun and not lap times, try a 997GT3 or 996 GT3 or something even more "fun" than that.
Fun means different things to different people...

DT398

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So your view of the Turbo S needing to stop after a few laps went from "less clear" in your first post to "obvious" in your second one minutes later. You clearly didn't think they were "obvious" at 11.39. At least I had the humility to ask the question.

Edited by DT398 on Friday 1st May 12:58

sidicks

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DT398 said:
So your view of the Turbo S needing to stop after a few laps went from "less clear" in your first post to "obvious" in your second one minutes later. You clearly didn't think they were "obvious" at 11.39. At least I had the humility to ask the question.
I'm not sure what 'asking the question' has to do with humility...

Regardless.
1) 'Less clear' how long the Turbo S could last without needing to stop
2) 'Obvious' why it would need to stop before the GT3.

HTH

DT398

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sidicks said:
I'm not sure what 'asking the question' has to do with humility...

Regardless.
1) 'Less clear' how long the Turbo S could last without needing to stop
2) 'Obvious' why it would need to stop before the GT3.

HTH
Nope.