The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 10]
Discussion
Pommygranite said:
Bit of balance chaps - twitters lovely and all that but not sure Arsenal or even Man City would sell out 95,000 like Liverpool did when they came to Australia - Liverpools global stretch is vast.
Agree there, Pommy. In some countries, you're ahead of those two. In fact, returning to Twitter, you have 1.7 million more followers than Man City but then again success wise, they have only just started winning big stuff recently. Liverpool's global stretch is indeed huge but they need to adapt and aim for a new audience that will stick with them. Like it or not, the Boot Room philosophy is becoming more out of date with every season going by.
type-r said:
This I completely agree with. FSG are simply in it to make money - plain and simple. They saw an opportunity of a level playing field (FFP) and potential of a new stadium to increase revenues to sell on - however to their credit they did this by putting up their own money rather than borrowing money and placing Liverpool into debt. Trophies are not their priority; monetising Liverpool as much as possible is and will always be their key aim. With so much money now in the CL, it will be interesting to see how much money they put up especially if Sterling does stay. Last year was about Suarez money + PL prize money - no way they will spend another £120m.
As you said, they have used their own money in this which is good. The other good thing they have done is actually moving ahead with the Stadium work which will help us in future due to the increased revenue. However yes, they do appear to be in it to make money as opposed to some of the owners who just use the club they bought as a "play toy" (Chelsea for example).GloverMart said:
Pommygranite said:
Bit of balance chaps - twitters lovely and all that but not sure Arsenal or even Man City would sell out 95,000 like Liverpool did when they came to Australia - Liverpools global stretch is vast.
Agree there, Pommy. In some countries, you're ahead of those two. In fact, returning to Twitter, you have 1.7 million more followers than Man City but then again success wise, they have only just started winning big stuff recently. Liverpool's global stretch is indeed huge but they need to adapt and aim for a new audience that will stick with them. Like it or not, the Boot Room philosophy is becoming more out of date with every season going by.
Backatcha. I think 'something' needs to change but ultimately we are competing with billionaire owners who are willing to lose a billion to gain a million and that just isn't us.Without a billionaire owner who spends like a billionaire you're nothing in the EPL.
But what I don't see is a club in crisis, just a lot of viewpoints cranking out on volume 11.
Our stadium is expanding. We have a large batch of promising youngsters and a couple of match winning players.
Ultimately resolve the manager questions, replace the captain and a couple of good purchases and we're looking good.
Pommygranite said:
RedTrident said:
Sterling Mario Borini
Coutinho
Henderson Lucas
We'd have got top 4 I'm certain. Mr Rodgers froze out Borini unnecessarily I think. If he was here, he should have been played. Mario clearly needed someone next to him.
As for FFP. FSG only cared for this as it would increase their profit margin when they sold imo. In the meantime they used it as an excuse to tick the club over whilst they increased income. Their end game is selling at the biggest profit possible. I don't really think they're much different that the previous owners, their pr machine is just better and of course they are more sophisticated operators.
You posted many times how rubbish you thought Borini was and in no way good enough.Coutinho
Henderson Lucas
We'd have got top 4 I'm certain. Mr Rodgers froze out Borini unnecessarily I think. If he was here, he should have been played. Mario clearly needed someone next to him.
As for FFP. FSG only cared for this as it would increase their profit margin when they sold imo. In the meantime they used it as an excuse to tick the club over whilst they increased income. Their end game is selling at the biggest profit possible. I don't really think they're much different that the previous owners, their pr machine is just better and of course they are more sophisticated operators.
Anyway latest from Mr Rodgers. I see he has massively back tracked from a few months ago when he was insisting that we need proven quality. 200% in saving job mode now it seems. Personally I think the article is full of the nonsense quotes that makes many fans dislike him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp...
RedTrident said:
Borini isn't good enough. That's why we tried to get rid of him. But he's sure better than playing Mario as a lone striker or Sterling up front on his own. Mr Rodgers once again showed that he's ego gets in the way of managing players.
Anyway latest from Mr Rodgers. I see he has massively back tracked from a few months ago when he was insisting that we need proven quality. 200% in saving job mode now it seems. Personally I think the article is full of the nonsense quotes that makes many fans dislike him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp...
You're now just reading anything you want to bad about him.Anyway latest from Mr Rodgers. I see he has massively back tracked from a few months ago when he was insisting that we need proven quality. 200% in saving job mode now it seems. Personally I think the article is full of the nonsense quotes that makes many fans dislike him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp...
He's saying it's been a difficult season and his all out attacking system hasn't worked. True or not?
The overall strategy of the club is to buy in young talent. True or not? It doesn't mean we won't buy one or two good players occasionally.
I agree it could have been good to try two up front, but it would have meant 4 at the back, which we have seen did not work this season. Do you really trust Borini and Mario to have scored more than we let in at the back? I'm really not sure I do.
NRS said:
RedTrident said:
Borini isn't good enough. That's why we tried to get rid of him. But he's sure better than playing Mario as a lone striker or Sterling up front on his own. Mr Rodgers once again showed that he's ego gets in the way of managing players.
Anyway latest from Mr Rodgers. I see he has massively back tracked from a few months ago when he was insisting that we need proven quality. 200% in saving job mode now it seems. Personally I think the article is full of the nonsense quotes that makes many fans dislike him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp...
You're now just reading anything you want to bad about him.Anyway latest from Mr Rodgers. I see he has massively back tracked from a few months ago when he was insisting that we need proven quality. 200% in saving job mode now it seems. Personally I think the article is full of the nonsense quotes that makes many fans dislike him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverp...
He's saying it's been a difficult season and his all out attacking system hasn't worked. True or not?
The overall strategy of the club is to buy in young talent. True or not? It doesn't mean we won't buy one or two good players occasionally.
I agree it could have been good to try two up front, but it would have meant 4 at the back, which we have seen did not work this season. Do you really trust Borini and Mario to have scored more than we let in at the back? I'm really not sure I do.
DSLiverpool said:
Papers full of Edin Dzeko coming as part of the RS deal - I doubt this will happen but is ED much more than Carroll ? Probably a better finisher but still needs the firmation Bren doesn't like. Unless we're starting over again?
He talks about a system that he wants to play, then we keep going and buying immobile strikers that doesn't suit it. Nothing against Dzeko, Benteke or even Mario. But these strikers need support and flourish from a different style of play.Mr Rodgers is lost, he doesn't know his best players nor his preferred formation, never mind the tactics to suit. If he stays for another season he really needs to take a step back and re think this.
After 3 seasons we should know which players we have that we build a team around. Yet of what we have (regardless of formation) all I see that I'd have is
Possibly Mignolet
Skrtel maybe Sakho
Maybe Cann (Lucas isn't dynamic enough and Henderson has had 1 good season since arriving, lets not pretend otherwise)
Coutinho and Sterling (who is likely off)
Sturridge (when fit and never as a lone striker)
Its a mess and thats why I think FSG will go for Klopp.
RedTrident said:
He talks about a system that he wants to play, then we keep going and buying immobile strikers that doesn't suit it. Nothing against Dzeko, Benteke or even Mario. But these strikers need support and flourish from a different style of play.
Mr Rodgers is lost, he doesn't know his best players nor his preferred formation, never mind the tactics to suit. If he stays for another season he really needs to take a step back and re think this.
After 3 seasons we should know which players we have that we build a team around. Yet of what we have (regardless of formation) all I see that I'd have is
Possibly Mignolet
Skrtel maybe Sakho
Maybe Cann (Lucas isn't dynamic enough and Henderson has had 1 good season since arriving, lets not pretend otherwise)
Coutinho and Sterling (who is likely off)
Sturridge (when fit and never as a lone striker)
Its a mess and thats why I think FSG will go for Klopp.
Is that because you think he could get more from the existing squad, or he would be a Mr Rodgers is lost, he doesn't know his best players nor his preferred formation, never mind the tactics to suit. If he stays for another season he really needs to take a step back and re think this.
After 3 seasons we should know which players we have that we build a team around. Yet of what we have (regardless of formation) all I see that I'd have is
Possibly Mignolet
Skrtel maybe Sakho
Maybe Cann (Lucas isn't dynamic enough and Henderson has had 1 good season since arriving, lets not pretend otherwise)
Coutinho and Sterling (who is likely off)
Sturridge (when fit and never as a lone striker)
Its a mess and thats why I think FSG will go for Klopp.
big enough draw, for players to come to Liverpool, so FSG spunk another £100m.
Do you think he would work with, or under a transfer committee.
jammy_basturd said:
I'd say it sounds more like FSG are trying to find a bargain and how BR will fit that bargain into a/the system is a secondary thought.
Lovren, Lallana and Laser weren't bargains last summer. Maybe Mario, Cann and Moreno were moneyball transfers but not the other 3 we spent 70 million or so on. No idea what Lambert was...V8FGO said:
Is that because you think he could get more from the existing squad, or he would be a
big enough draw, for players to come to Liverpool, so FSG spunk another £100m.
Do you think he would work with, or under a transfer committee.
I think Klopp, Ancelotte, Simeone, Emery etc etc would get more from the existing squad, be a draw for players and would work with a transfer committee.big enough draw, for players to come to Liverpool, so FSG spunk another £100m.
Do you think he would work with, or under a transfer committee.
I think we'd defend better for sure under a new manager, something that Rodgers has failed to achieve in 3 seasons. There's nothing to suggest that he knows how to tighten things up at the back. Even playing 3 at the back has now been found out by the likes of Sherwood.
We'd stop targeting and over paying for players from mid table premier league teams and I'm certain he's coached better players than Allen and Borini which is what Mr Rodgers brought with him from his past.
As for the committee, the manager has final say,this has been well documented. In any case it is due a overhaul regardless of who the manager is from what I've read elsewhere, hence the Emery reference.
Odds slashed on Jurgen Klopp taking over as Liverpool manager
08:03, 24 MAY 2015
BY ED MALYON
The German coach is expected to be in demand this summer and the Reds are now bookies favourites
Odds were last night slashed on Jurgen Klopp becoming the new Liverpool manager.
The popular German coach left Dortmund on Saturday having guided them to the Europa League - a remarkable feat considering they were bottom of the Bundesliga in January. 'Kloppo' had refused to talk to other teams until he was out of the door at the Westfalenstadion but on the same night he left, speculation heightened about Liverpool contacting the eccentric coach.
His departure was the subject of an incredible tifo tribute from The Yellow Wall, but just as Klopp exited Dortmund his odds began to tumble on a Premier League switch.
Having previously been 5/1, Klopp's price ditched sharply to 2/1 with SkyBet late on Saturday night.
And with an implied chance of 66%, those odds make Anfield his most likely destination, placing question marks over Brendan Rodgers' future.
The Northern Irishman has endured a tough season on Merseyside but this week declared he was "150 per cent" sure he would be in charge at Anfield next season.
Following the final game of the season at Stoke on Sunday, he will be asked to contribute to an in-depth review of the club’s performance, where some tough and searching questions will be asked about his role in the failure to deliver the stated aim of a top four finish.
Asked if he feels reassured co-owners John Henry and Tom Werner will stick by him and ask him to lead the club next season following that review, Rodgers replied: “Yeah, yeah. 150 per cent.
I think you evolve as a manager. Certainly the experiences of this year will make me better. We have been clear with the identity of how we want to play since I’ve been here and obviously it hasn’t quite worked out this season as I would have liked.
“But going forward, I repeat, I will be a better manager for the experiences and hopefully go on next year to be more consistent and we can win more games than we have.”
Rodgers will sit down with director Mike Gordon in the coming week for the first of a series of meetings that will review not only performance on and off the pitch, but the club's structures.
Meetings will continue over several days, and Rodgers will also speak with both Henry and Werner as they take a broader look at the whole structure in terms of recruitment and management.
While that suggests there will be some changes – most notably to the much maligned transfer committee – the manager insisted there is no prospect of a doom laden inquiry.
“There is probably a lot more made of that than what it actually is - there have been a number of reviews,” he said. “Throughout the season I’ve had great communication with the owners. I’ll speak with them at the end of the season - like I did last year, like I did at the end of my first year, and like I’ve done intermittently throughout the season. There is no Great Big Review.”
Just this bit - 'We have been clear with the identity of how we want to play since I’ve been here'. Just 2 points
1. What identity was that this season then?
2. I'm clear that I want to be able to be a driving god, doesn't mean I can, regardless of how long I've been at it.
Momentum building. If it happens it will happen quickly I think. When is Mr Rodgers review, anyone know? I want to have the champagne ready just in case
08:03, 24 MAY 2015
BY ED MALYON
The German coach is expected to be in demand this summer and the Reds are now bookies favourites
Odds were last night slashed on Jurgen Klopp becoming the new Liverpool manager.
The popular German coach left Dortmund on Saturday having guided them to the Europa League - a remarkable feat considering they were bottom of the Bundesliga in January. 'Kloppo' had refused to talk to other teams until he was out of the door at the Westfalenstadion but on the same night he left, speculation heightened about Liverpool contacting the eccentric coach.
His departure was the subject of an incredible tifo tribute from The Yellow Wall, but just as Klopp exited Dortmund his odds began to tumble on a Premier League switch.
Having previously been 5/1, Klopp's price ditched sharply to 2/1 with SkyBet late on Saturday night.
And with an implied chance of 66%, those odds make Anfield his most likely destination, placing question marks over Brendan Rodgers' future.
The Northern Irishman has endured a tough season on Merseyside but this week declared he was "150 per cent" sure he would be in charge at Anfield next season.
Following the final game of the season at Stoke on Sunday, he will be asked to contribute to an in-depth review of the club’s performance, where some tough and searching questions will be asked about his role in the failure to deliver the stated aim of a top four finish.
Asked if he feels reassured co-owners John Henry and Tom Werner will stick by him and ask him to lead the club next season following that review, Rodgers replied: “Yeah, yeah. 150 per cent.
I think you evolve as a manager. Certainly the experiences of this year will make me better. We have been clear with the identity of how we want to play since I’ve been here and obviously it hasn’t quite worked out this season as I would have liked.
“But going forward, I repeat, I will be a better manager for the experiences and hopefully go on next year to be more consistent and we can win more games than we have.”
Rodgers will sit down with director Mike Gordon in the coming week for the first of a series of meetings that will review not only performance on and off the pitch, but the club's structures.
Meetings will continue over several days, and Rodgers will also speak with both Henry and Werner as they take a broader look at the whole structure in terms of recruitment and management.
While that suggests there will be some changes – most notably to the much maligned transfer committee – the manager insisted there is no prospect of a doom laden inquiry.
“There is probably a lot more made of that than what it actually is - there have been a number of reviews,” he said. “Throughout the season I’ve had great communication with the owners. I’ll speak with them at the end of the season - like I did last year, like I did at the end of my first year, and like I’ve done intermittently throughout the season. There is no Great Big Review.”
Just this bit - 'We have been clear with the identity of how we want to play since I’ve been here'. Just 2 points
1. What identity was that this season then?
2. I'm clear that I want to be able to be a driving god, doesn't mean I can, regardless of how long I've been at it.
Momentum building. If it happens it will happen quickly I think. When is Mr Rodgers review, anyone know? I want to have the champagne ready just in case
I've mentioned this before but the failure of our season is our inability to land a top class striker. When this end of season review takes place, whomever is responsible for this should be under scrutiny.
This more than anything caused us problems. Borini is not good enough, neither is Ballotelli - it's clear BR did not want either of them. Lambert was always signed as a plan B, but was always going to be difficult considering plan A never got going. The DS injuries were unfortunate but not unexpected, so once again, the lack of striking alternatives is what has cost us this season. BR played Sterling up front as a striker, which is clearly not his best position but he played there because none of the others were deemed good enough.
Somebody mentioned Djeko above - at least he knows where the net is and would certainly be an improvement on the current crop (bar a fit Sturridge).
This more than anything caused us problems. Borini is not good enough, neither is Ballotelli - it's clear BR did not want either of them. Lambert was always signed as a plan B, but was always going to be difficult considering plan A never got going. The DS injuries were unfortunate but not unexpected, so once again, the lack of striking alternatives is what has cost us this season. BR played Sterling up front as a striker, which is clearly not his best position but he played there because none of the others were deemed good enough.
Somebody mentioned Djeko above - at least he knows where the net is and would certainly be an improvement on the current crop (bar a fit Sturridge).
RedTrident said:
Line up Klopp's achievements next to Mr Rodgers. Ends the argument right there I think.
I think even if FSG were going to keep Mr Rodgers, the availability of Klopp is having them at least revisit their original plans.
What are you going to whine about if we get Klopp?! You'll have to learn to cheer up and feel positive for a change I think even if FSG were going to keep Mr Rodgers, the availability of Klopp is having them at least revisit their original plans.
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