Lying On a CV - Peoples/Employers thoughts/experiences
Discussion
This is by no means what I am doing, however:
I was speaking to a an acquaintance of mind that is some sort of compliance manager for a bank in London, was talking about degrees and the fact I think I am going to struggle to get a 2:1. He said Just lie and make out you got a 2:1 and re arrange your results accordingly.
This is by no means what I am going to do but Im wondering if
1) Anybody has done this before?
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
3) Whether people regularly lie on CVs to this effect?
4) And whether people actually get found out and possible repercussions of this?
I have an uncanny back if I lie of getting found out pretty quickly, and Ive been brought up not to lie, however just wanting other peoples opinions? Sounds silly but at uni we are under so much pressure to get 2:1s or above - if you don't you're basically s
t!
In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
I was speaking to a an acquaintance of mind that is some sort of compliance manager for a bank in London, was talking about degrees and the fact I think I am going to struggle to get a 2:1. He said Just lie and make out you got a 2:1 and re arrange your results accordingly.
This is by no means what I am going to do but Im wondering if
1) Anybody has done this before?
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
3) Whether people regularly lie on CVs to this effect?
4) And whether people actually get found out and possible repercussions of this?
I have an uncanny back if I lie of getting found out pretty quickly, and Ive been brought up not to lie, however just wanting other peoples opinions? Sounds silly but at uni we are under so much pressure to get 2:1s or above - if you don't you're basically s
t! In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
buggalugs said:
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Incorrect, M135i.Many people embellish things on their CV a little but such a blatant porky pie is asking for trouble IMO, surely they could find out that you aren't being honest easily enough, and who would employ someone who pulled a trick like that before they were even in the door?
mattf93 said:
This is by no means what I am doing, however:
I was speaking to a an acquaintance of mind that is some sort of compliance manager for a bank in London, was talking about degrees and the fact I think I am going to struggle to get a 2:1. He said Just lie and make out you got a 2:1 and re arrange your results accordingly.
This is by no means what I am going to do but Im wondering if
1) Anybody has done this before?
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
3) Whether people regularly lie on CVs to this effect?
4) And whether people actually get found out and possible repercussions of this?
I have an uncanny back if I lie of getting found out pretty quickly, and Ive been brought up not to lie, however just wanting other peoples opinions? Sounds silly but at uni we are under so much pressure to get 2:1s or above - if you don't you're basically st!
In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
Yeah, just lie about it.I was speaking to a an acquaintance of mind that is some sort of compliance manager for a bank in London, was talking about degrees and the fact I think I am going to struggle to get a 2:1. He said Just lie and make out you got a 2:1 and re arrange your results accordingly.
This is by no means what I am going to do but Im wondering if
1) Anybody has done this before?
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
3) Whether people regularly lie on CVs to this effect?
4) And whether people actually get found out and possible repercussions of this?
I have an uncanny back if I lie of getting found out pretty quickly, and Ive been brought up not to lie, however just wanting other peoples opinions? Sounds silly but at uni we are under so much pressure to get 2:1s or above - if you don't you're basically s
t! In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
It will come out and when it does, it is probably dismissal with little chance of employment elsewhere.
The FCA is very hard on individuals and lying on a CV to get a job by deception is quite frankly completely daft IMO. And yes, I do work in the FS industry.
Honesty and integrity is what is expected and if we uncovered such a lie in our firm, it would be career suicide.
Nothing wrong with a 2:2 at all-just get into a firm and have a few year experience behind you then move on.
The FCA is very hard on individuals and lying on a CV to get a job by deception is quite frankly completely daft IMO. And yes, I do work in the FS industry.
Honesty and integrity is what is expected and if we uncovered such a lie in our firm, it would be career suicide.
Nothing wrong with a 2:2 at all-just get into a firm and have a few year experience behind you then move on.
whoami said:
mattf93 said:
This is by no means what I am doing, however:
I was speaking to a an acquaintance of mind that is some sort of compliance manager for a bank in London, was talking about degrees and the fact I think I am going to struggle to get a 2:1. He said Just lie and make out you got a 2:1 and re arrange your results accordingly.
This is by no means what I am going to do but Im wondering if
1) Anybody has done this before?
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
3) Whether people regularly lie on CVs to this effect?
4) And whether people actually get found out and possible repercussions of this?
I have an uncanny back if I lie of getting found out pretty quickly, and Ive been brought up not to lie, however just wanting other peoples opinions? Sounds silly but at uni we are under so much pressure to get 2:1s or above - if you don't you're basically st!
In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
Yeah, just lie about it.I was speaking to a an acquaintance of mind that is some sort of compliance manager for a bank in London, was talking about degrees and the fact I think I am going to struggle to get a 2:1. He said Just lie and make out you got a 2:1 and re arrange your results accordingly.
This is by no means what I am going to do but Im wondering if
1) Anybody has done this before?
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
3) Whether people regularly lie on CVs to this effect?
4) And whether people actually get found out and possible repercussions of this?
I have an uncanny back if I lie of getting found out pretty quickly, and Ive been brought up not to lie, however just wanting other peoples opinions? Sounds silly but at uni we are under so much pressure to get 2:1s or above - if you don't you're basically s
t! In 'the real world' do employers actually turn their nose up with people that gain 'just' a 2:2? I should point out I'm doing a Law degree and i absolutely hate it now, not what I set out to feel like but thats ultimately where I'm at.
Any advice would be nice, but try and keep responses pleasant Im just a 'stressed' student looking for answers or advice.
My wife used to work in HR for a Big 4 firm. Every year, around September/October time, she would have to sack graduates who had lied about their grades or failed to produce evidence to support what they claimed.
I would expect any employer requiring a 2:1 would check. The actual results may not be that important or relevant but falsifying something so easily verified is daft.
Either pull out the stops to get a 2:1 or start now looking for jobs that will take a Desmond. You could try applying for jobs and stating that you are expecting a 2:1 - unless you are unlucky I doubt you would get an offer rescinded if you had got that far prior to your degree being awarded.
I would expect any employer requiring a 2:1 would check. The actual results may not be that important or relevant but falsifying something so easily verified is daft.
Either pull out the stops to get a 2:1 or start now looking for jobs that will take a Desmond. You could try applying for jobs and stating that you are expecting a 2:1 - unless you are unlucky I doubt you would get an offer rescinded if you had got that far prior to your degree being awarded.
Here is a case for you to study:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
Matthen said:
Here is a case for you to study:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
Beside the point I know, but how much has he earned prior to discovery?http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
The problem is everyone and their mother has got a degree and a 2:2 doesn't stand for much these days!
I'm a teacher and took some 6th form students to an engineering company that make satelittes. They receive hundreds of applications for every post and anyone without a first won't even have their CV looked at. I know people with 2:1's and a masters degree struggling to get a job in their desired field.
Work hard, get the best degree you can and be honest about it.
I'm a teacher and took some 6th form students to an engineering company that make satelittes. They receive hundreds of applications for every post and anyone without a first won't even have their CV looked at. I know people with 2:1's and a masters degree struggling to get a job in their desired field.
Work hard, get the best degree you can and be honest about it.
In my experience of the banks, if you are straight out of uni, your degree counts for everything and will likely be checked.
As it fades into the background, it's less relevant vs experience and roles.
Above all else - be straight up and do not lie - these things have a habit of coming back and haunting you in the future.
As it fades into the background, it's less relevant vs experience and roles.
Above all else - be straight up and do not lie - these things have a habit of coming back and haunting you in the future.
popegregory said:
Matthen said:
Here is a case for you to study:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
Beside the point I know, but how much has he earned prior to discovery?http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/the-top-city...
Do you want that to happen to you?
Oh, and if you're only looking at a 2:2 in law, then you may not be best suited for jobs demanding more than that.
It sounds like you want a different direction from the course you are on at the moment, can you change course?
Can you veer off the degree for a different thing you're interested in? ( are they called electives?)
Can you apply for decent jobs now and get one in something you are interested in? You earn experience AND money....win win.
TTT
1st year pass Sport and Recreational Studies, Stafffordshire Uni. Binned it off after 6 weeks of the second year, and after 18 months found my self doing something I really enjoy.
Still doing it, just for much more money now.
It sounds like you want a different direction from the course you are on at the moment, can you change course?
Can you veer off the degree for a different thing you're interested in? ( are they called electives?)
Can you apply for decent jobs now and get one in something you are interested in? You earn experience AND money....win win.
TTT
1st year pass Sport and Recreational Studies, Stafffordshire Uni. Binned it off after 6 weeks of the second year, and after 18 months found my self doing something I really enjoy.
Still doing it, just for much more money now.
mattf93 said:
2) If anybody bothers to check an individuals grades with the institution they get their degree from?
Yes. FCA regulated companies (and others) will have an outside company running the checks. If they can't match your degree they'll ask you for proof. If you can't provide it you may still get the job on condition until you do.Lying on your CV is a really bad idea. They'll just sack you out of principle and nothing else. A 2:1 or 2:2 is usually meaningless in reality.
You need to ask yourself if can you work to a good standard in the degree/area of your choosing. If you hate it you may want to consider a change. If you hate it but you're really good at it then whatever really. It's an imperfect world. Work life has a lot of frustrations and the biggest reward is usually interacting with people outside work that share the same professional interests.
I've hired quite a few people for my team in a large UK bank over the last 18 months. We check degree results for everyone I've hired, including some people who graduated over twenty years ago. Any company working in a regulated industry will do the same, as it's just too risky to do otherwise.
A 2:2 won't do wonders for your employability, but it is a good market for jobhunters right now so even if you don't manage to improve your degree you'll have a decent chance if you can show some other evidence of things that employers value such as leadership.
A 2:2 won't do wonders for your employability, but it is a good market for jobhunters right now so even if you don't manage to improve your degree you'll have a decent chance if you can show some other evidence of things that employers value such as leadership.
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