Cameron and the Human rights act
Discussion
What the act covers
Right to life
Right not to be tortured or subjected to inhumane treatment
Right not to be held as a slave
Right to liberty and security of the person
Right to a fair trial
Right not be retrospectively convicted for a crime
Right to a private and family life
Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Right to freedom of expression
Right to freedom of assembly and association
Right to marriage
Right to an effective remedy
Right not to be discriminated against
The right to the peaceful enjoyment of one’s property
Right to an education.
Duty of the government to provide free and fair elections.
Anyone else think Cameron's plan to try a ditch it combined with Teresa Mays new proposed new anti terror law is very bloody dangerous?
Right to life
Right not to be tortured or subjected to inhumane treatment
Right not to be held as a slave
Right to liberty and security of the person
Right to a fair trial
Right not be retrospectively convicted for a crime
Right to a private and family life
Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Right to freedom of expression
Right to freedom of assembly and association
Right to marriage
Right to an effective remedy
Right not to be discriminated against
The right to the peaceful enjoyment of one’s property
Right to an education.
Duty of the government to provide free and fair elections.
Anyone else think Cameron's plan to try a ditch it combined with Teresa Mays new proposed new anti terror law is very bloody dangerous?
More than happy to be corrected, but as I understand it, the 'Human Rights Act' has been so buggered up with case law, it is easier to write a new 'Bill of Rights' than to try to amend the old act. We will see if a new 'Bill of Rights' also has some responsibilities written in to it, so for instance, if you remove someone's right to life, ie murder, then your rights are now somehow curtailed.
We will see.....
FF
(Not a legal type in any way!!)
We will see.....
FF
(Not a legal type in any way!!)
cirian75 said:
What the act covers
Right to life
Right not to be tortured or subjected to inhumane treatment
Right not to be held as a slave
Right to liberty and security of the person
Right to a fair trial
Right not be retrospectively convicted for a crime
Right to a private and family life
Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Right to freedom of expression
Right to freedom of assembly and association
Right to marriage
Right to an effective remedy
Right not to be discriminated against
The right to the peaceful enjoyment of one’s property
Right to an education.
Duty of the government to provide free and fair elections.
Anyone else think Cameron's plan to try a ditch it combined with Teresa Mays new proposed new anti terror law is very bloody dangerous?
Prior to 1998 the world was a terrible place eh?Right to life
Right not to be tortured or subjected to inhumane treatment
Right not to be held as a slave
Right to liberty and security of the person
Right to a fair trial
Right not be retrospectively convicted for a crime
Right to a private and family life
Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Right to freedom of expression
Right to freedom of assembly and association
Right to marriage
Right to an effective remedy
Right not to be discriminated against
The right to the peaceful enjoyment of one’s property
Right to an education.
Duty of the government to provide free and fair elections.
Anyone else think Cameron's plan to try a ditch it combined with Teresa Mays new proposed new anti terror law is very bloody dangerous?
REALIST123 said:
Which people? I don't know anyone who's worried.
Not worried but making political capital over it would be Labour and their supporters, SNP and their supporters, LibDems and their supporters, Greens and their supporters.I think it is a good idea, get a Bill of Rights which is right and fair primarily for the people of Britain.
ofcorsa said:
cirian75 said:
What the act covers
Right to life
Right not to be tortured or subjected to inhumane treatment
Right not to be held as a slave
Right to liberty and security of the person
Right to a fair trial
Right not be retrospectively convicted for a crime
Right to a private and family life
Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Right to freedom of expression
Right to freedom of assembly and association
Right to marriage
Right to an effective remedy
Right not to be discriminated against
The right to the peaceful enjoyment of one’s property
Right to an education.
Duty of the government to provide free and fair elections.
Anyone else think Cameron's plan to try a ditch it combined with Teresa Mays new proposed new anti terror law is very bloody dangerous?
Prior to 1998 the world was a terrible place eh?Right to life
Right not to be tortured or subjected to inhumane treatment
Right not to be held as a slave
Right to liberty and security of the person
Right to a fair trial
Right not be retrospectively convicted for a crime
Right to a private and family life
Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Right to freedom of expression
Right to freedom of assembly and association
Right to marriage
Right to an effective remedy
Right not to be discriminated against
The right to the peaceful enjoyment of one’s property
Right to an education.
Duty of the government to provide free and fair elections.
Anyone else think Cameron's plan to try a ditch it combined with Teresa Mays new proposed new anti terror law is very bloody dangerous?
ofcorsa said:
Prior to 1998 the world was a terrible place eh?
The point is that for many the current world is a terrible place. We need a check on the power and authority of the government. The HoL is chocolate teapot level.We have the police being turned into a political support group, the press will be controlled by legislation, ostensibly to protect actors and comedians, although it seems strange that it didn't become a factor in politics until the corrupt MPs and lords were exposed by the press. The law is part of the establishment. We have a neutered monarchy.
Still, if you've got nothing to protect, you've got nothing to worry about.
People keep mentioning Magna Carta but they forget what the bloke in charge of the country did about it a few minutes after it was signed.
No one is suggesting it is perfect, but then it is probably better than the one they want to put in its place.
ofcorsa said:
cirian75 said:
Prior to 1998 the world was a terrible place eh?1966. Recognised the power of the European Commission on Human Rights to hear individual complaints from UK citizens
1998. Protocol 11 of 1994 amalgamates Court and Commission into one body due to increasing workload (between 1981 and 1997 applications went from 404 to 4750 and cases referred went from 7 to 119).
The UK does not have a good record in the ECHR, when my source was written (2000) it was second only to Turkey. Source states that ECHR precedent is binding in UK law.
Malone v UK (1984) Phone tapping was was against the convention because it was not in accordance with law but rather governed by an unregulated discretion. It could not be necessary in a democratic society as there were no constitutional safeguards against misuse of the power. The UK government reacted with the Communications Act 1985, requiring a warrant from the Home Secretary on grounds of National Security, Serious Crime (detection or prevention), economic wellbeing of the UK.
R v Saunders (1996) DTI inspectors could interview without right to silence under provisions of companies legislation. Law changed (not retroactively), no compensation issued.
The real point appears to be that it is a court which the UK government cannot strong arm.
HD Adam said:
cirian75 said:
so no human rights for criminals?
not every criminal is a murder, rapist, armed robber etc by the way.
But what about the ones who are and avoid deportation because of their right to a family life under Article 8 because they've got a cat or something?not every criminal is a murder, rapist, armed robber etc by the way.
But the proposed replacement makes it way way to easy to deport genuine asylum seekers to face death and torture.
Looking at the current act and doing some well thought out amendments would seem to be a better idea.
This is what really make huge minefield
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement...
Does Cameron and co really want to mess with that !?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement...
Does Cameron and co really want to mess with that !?
currybum said:
williamp said:
So you are guaranteed basic human rights unless the government decided you shouldn’t have them…sounds like a great idea.answers on the back of your boarding to where ever your grandfather came from while G4S throw on that plane.
HD Adam said:
cirian75 said:
so no human rights for criminals?
not every criminal is a murder, rapist, armed robber etc by the way.
But what about the ones who are and avoid deportation because of their right to a family life under Article 8 because they've got a cat or something?not every criminal is a murder, rapist, armed robber etc by the way.
MarshPhantom said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
I think it is a good idea, get a Bill of Rights which is right and fair primarily for the people of Britain.
Why do human right need to be tailored specifically for Britain?
Human makes it universal, remove it and well, its not universal any more
We did not need this act before 1998 ,we do not need it now.
The simple fact is, we can make our own laws for our own needs, far better than anyone else can make laws for us.
Parliament should be supreme in such matters, not a bunch of unelected foreign judges.
May be a help in putting a stop to the "uman rights" trough fest the "legal profession" gorge themselves on.
The simple fact is, we can make our own laws for our own needs, far better than anyone else can make laws for us.
Parliament should be supreme in such matters, not a bunch of unelected foreign judges.
May be a help in putting a stop to the "uman rights" trough fest the "legal profession" gorge themselves on.
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