New Car Tax B******s
Discussion
UK345 said:
I like the new tax system. Means that when you sell a car you get a tax refund which you otherwise wouldn't of got. Although it can be a bit annoying taxing a car when you first get it.
Careful. Someone will be along in a minute to say it means it's harder to negotiate the sale of a used car as you can no longer use the unexpired tax as a bargaining tool.The fact that that means they're handing over money, by not getting a refund, to a random stranger will escape them.
fausTVR said:
Toaster Pilot said:
^ if you check the tax status of a newly purchased car you haven't taxed, you'll find as soon as DVLA process the paperwork it shows as "Untaxed - 16th May 2015" - so your point about tax not being stopped mid month is wrong.
I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Surely most car purchases take place at out of office hours times generally speaking, so the phone option is out at least? Can it be done 24/7 online, I've read not always.I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Saturday 16th May 23:22
Toaster Pilot said:
fausTVR said:
Toaster Pilot said:
^ if you check the tax status of a newly purchased car you haven't taxed, you'll find as soon as DVLA process the paperwork it shows as "Untaxed - 16th May 2015" - so your point about tax not being stopped mid month is wrong.
I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Surely most car purchases take place at out of office hours times generally speaking, so the phone option is out at least? Can it be done 24/7 online, I've read not always.I really don't understand all of the "you'll be fine to drive it home", ";)" etc that goes on over this - how difficult is it to tax before driving off these days with internet access almost anywhere and phone calls even more widely available
Edited by Toaster Pilot on Saturday 16th May 23:22
It seems most of the hate towards the new system stems from ignorance.
I done trade purchase of TVR, I gave my mate cash to tax car for one year just so I could sell it on and new keeper legally road test and drive it. (car was SORN)
Sold it 2 weeks later, which was 7 weeks ago and still no refund received.
Even although car was shown as sold to me as trade 9 weeks ago DVLA will not explain why no refund received, previous owner now has to phone them to get any excuses.
I sold my Trafic van 3 weeks ago, taxed it for 1 year (5 days prior to selling) just so new owner could road test it legally.
Again no refund received... DVLA excuse? " our system has problems if vehicle is sold soon after taxing it" he then confirmed no refund had even been started and he would need to do it manually. WTF.
I will not even go into problems with a taxed vehicle that DVLA thought was untaxed and canx a V5 application along with number retention for previous owner.... their mistake compounded by incompetance and a crap system.
I try to do everything legal but DVLA are very good at making you wish you hadn't bothered.
Sold it 2 weeks later, which was 7 weeks ago and still no refund received.
Even although car was shown as sold to me as trade 9 weeks ago DVLA will not explain why no refund received, previous owner now has to phone them to get any excuses.
I sold my Trafic van 3 weeks ago, taxed it for 1 year (5 days prior to selling) just so new owner could road test it legally.
Again no refund received... DVLA excuse? " our system has problems if vehicle is sold soon after taxing it" he then confirmed no refund had even been started and he would need to do it manually. WTF.
I will not even go into problems with a taxed vehicle that DVLA thought was untaxed and canx a V5 application along with number retention for previous owner.... their mistake compounded by incompetance and a crap system.
I try to do everything legal but DVLA are very good at making you wish you hadn't bothered.
BORN2bWILD said:
I done trade purchase of TVR, I gave my mate cash to tax car for one year just so I could sell it on and new keeper legally road test and drive it. (car was SORN)
Sold it 2 weeks later, which was 7 weeks ago and still no refund received.
Even although car was shown as sold to me as trade 9 weeks ago DVLA will not explain why no refund received, previous owner now has to phone them to get any excuses.
I sold my Trafic van 3 weeks ago, taxed it for 1 year (5 days prior to selling) just so new owner could road test it legally.
Again no refund received... DVLA excuse? " our system has problems if vehicle is sold soon after taxing it" he then confirmed no refund had even been started and he would need to do it manually. WTF.
I will not even go into problems with a taxed vehicle that DVLA thought was untaxed and canx a V5 application along with number retention for previous owner.... their mistake compounded by incompetance and a crap system.
I try to do everything legal but DVLA are very good at making you wish you hadn't bothered.
Get trade insurance and trade plates like everyone else needs to and this "problem" goes away - you'll probably need to tell HMRC what you're up to as well though which I guess is the sticking point for you.Sold it 2 weeks later, which was 7 weeks ago and still no refund received.
Even although car was shown as sold to me as trade 9 weeks ago DVLA will not explain why no refund received, previous owner now has to phone them to get any excuses.
I sold my Trafic van 3 weeks ago, taxed it for 1 year (5 days prior to selling) just so new owner could road test it legally.
Again no refund received... DVLA excuse? " our system has problems if vehicle is sold soon after taxing it" he then confirmed no refund had even been started and he would need to do it manually. WTF.
I will not even go into problems with a taxed vehicle that DVLA thought was untaxed and canx a V5 application along with number retention for previous owner.... their mistake compounded by incompetance and a crap system.
I try to do everything legal but DVLA are very good at making you wish you hadn't bothered.
Slightly different question from me. I am buying a car from my dad which is taxed. Is there any way to sort the tax out so that one of us doesn't lose out on a months tax? If he sorns it at the end of the month will he get the refund for the remaining months then I can tax it from the first and neither of us will lose out?
k22wes said:
Slightly different question from me. I am buying a car from my dad which is taxed. Is there any way to sort the tax out so that one of us doesn't lose out on a months tax? If he sorns it at the end of the month will he get the refund for the remaining months then I can tax it from the first and neither of us will lose out?
Sell it on the 30th/31st, tax it on the 1stThat doesn't work as the DVLA will receive the logbook back informing them of a change of keeper part-way into the next month, therefore negating that month's potential refund due to it not being a full month.
I was under the impression that the refund of any full months remaining goes from the date of sale of the vehicle, however I have had numerous phonecalls with DVLA managers who state categorically that the refund is issued from the date they receive the notification.
Nowhere on any of the litigation or smallprint does it say precisely when the refund will be isuued - date of sale or date of notification.
I was under the impression that the refund of any full months remaining goes from the date of sale of the vehicle, however I have had numerous phonecalls with DVLA managers who state categorically that the refund is issued from the date they receive the notification.
Nowhere on any of the litigation or smallprint does it say precisely when the refund will be isuued - date of sale or date of notification.
Speed Badger said:
That doesn't work as the DVLA will receive the logbook back informing them of a change of keeper part-way into the next month, therefore negating that month's potential refund due to it not being a full month.
I was under the impression that the refund of any full months remaining goes from the date of sale of the vehicle, however I have had numerous phonecalls with DVLA managers who state categorically that the refund is issued from the date they receive the notification.
Nowhere on any of the litigation or smallprint does it say precisely when the refund will be isuued - date of sale or date of notification.
The tax is cancelled from the date of sale though surely - at least that's how it shows on the online vehicle enquiry system when it goes to untaxedI was under the impression that the refund of any full months remaining goes from the date of sale of the vehicle, however I have had numerous phonecalls with DVLA managers who state categorically that the refund is issued from the date they receive the notification.
Nowhere on any of the litigation or smallprint does it say precisely when the refund will be isuued - date of sale or date of notification.
I've no doubt they'll do everything they can to screw that last little bit out of people but doesn't it ever wind people up!
Toaster Pilot said:
Speed Badger said:
That doesn't work as the DVLA will receive the logbook back informing them of a change of keeper part-way into the next month, therefore negating that month's potential refund due to it not being a full month.
I was under the impression that the refund of any full months remaining goes from the date of sale of the vehicle, however I have had numerous phonecalls with DVLA managers who state categorically that the refund is issued from the date they receive the notification.
Nowhere on any of the litigation or smallprint does it say precisely when the refund will be isuued - date of sale or date of notification.
The tax is cancelled from the date of sale though surely - at least that's how it shows on the online vehicle enquiry system when it goes to untaxedI was under the impression that the refund of any full months remaining goes from the date of sale of the vehicle, however I have had numerous phonecalls with DVLA managers who state categorically that the refund is issued from the date they receive the notification.
Nowhere on any of the litigation or smallprint does it say precisely when the refund will be isuued - date of sale or date of notification.
I've no doubt they'll do everything they can to screw that last little bit out of people but doesn't it ever wind people up!
Sold my truck on 25th and sent documents off straight away Hoping to get the remaining tax back from the next month on. Didn't work, rang them a couple weeks later and they said refund starts from the date they receive documents.
so if my dad sorned his car at the end of the month he will get refund for remaining months? What's to stop me buying the car a week later and taxing it from the 1st of that month?
so if my dad sorned his car at the end of the month he will get refund for remaining months? What's to stop me buying the car a week later and taxing it from the 1st of that month?
When I received my refund cheque, I calculated the tax I should have received back and found it was a month short. I queried this over the phone with a DVLA 'human' and they told me categorically that the refund is definitely calculated from the date of sale, and to write to DVLA department X to query.
I did this, received a 'no sorry, we are right and you are wrong' letter back. So I phoned and spoke to a more senior DVLA 'human' and he told me categorically that the refund is calculated from when they receive the notification.
DVLA? Divvy-LA more like.
I did this, received a 'no sorry, we are right and you are wrong' letter back. So I phoned and spoke to a more senior DVLA 'human' and he told me categorically that the refund is calculated from when they receive the notification.
DVLA? Divvy-LA more like.
Toaster Pilot said:
BORN2bWILD said:
I done trade purchase of TVR, I gave my mate cash to tax car for one year just so I could sell it on and new keeper legally road test and drive it. (car was SORN)
Sold it 2 weeks later, which was 7 weeks ago and still no refund received.
Even although car was shown as sold to me as trade 9 weeks ago DVLA will not explain why no refund received, previous owner now has to phone them to get any excuses.
I sold my Trafic van 3 weeks ago, taxed it for 1 year (5 days prior to selling) just so new owner could road test it legally.
Again no refund received... DVLA excuse? " our system has problems if vehicle is sold soon after taxing it" he then confirmed no refund had even been started and he would need to do it manually. WTF.
I will not even go into problems with a taxed vehicle that DVLA thought was untaxed and canx a V5 application along with number retention for previous owner.... their mistake compounded by incompetance and a crap system.
I try to do everything legal but DVLA are very good at making you wish you hadn't bothered.
Get trade insurance and trade plates like everyone else needs to and this "problem" goes away - you'll probably need to tell HMRC what you're up to as well though which I guess is the sticking point for you.Sold it 2 weeks later, which was 7 weeks ago and still no refund received.
Even although car was shown as sold to me as trade 9 weeks ago DVLA will not explain why no refund received, previous owner now has to phone them to get any excuses.
I sold my Trafic van 3 weeks ago, taxed it for 1 year (5 days prior to selling) just so new owner could road test it legally.
Again no refund received... DVLA excuse? " our system has problems if vehicle is sold soon after taxing it" he then confirmed no refund had even been started and he would need to do it manually. WTF.
I will not even go into problems with a taxed vehicle that DVLA thought was untaxed and canx a V5 application along with number retention for previous owner.... their mistake compounded by incompetance and a crap system.
I try to do everything legal but DVLA are very good at making you wish you hadn't bothered.
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