Fans to be surveyed about the state of F1

Fans to be surveyed about the state of F1

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funkyrobot

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18,789 posts

227 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/32719280

Will be interesting if noteworthy points are implemented.

rdjohn

6,135 posts

194 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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I recall that FOTA did this a few years ago. Nothing came of it.

Probably like today's Strategy Group meeting at Biggin Hill.

funkyrobot

Original Poster:

18,789 posts

227 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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They made the same mistake twice?

smile

rallycross

12,744 posts

236 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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easier project now as less fans to survey

Doink

1,652 posts

146 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Can't really find anything to disagree with from Coulthard.

My suggestions would be...

1- Wider track as per DC's suggestion
2- Wider tyres front and back as well as a move to 18" rims
3- Wider rear wing as per WEC so that the end plates are level with the outer edge of the tyres, either 2 central supports or end plates, also limit it to one element, no DRS
4- Reduce the thickness of the plank
5- As beautiful as they are the front wings need simplifying, limit it to 2 or 3 elements
6- Bring every tyre compound to each race, let the teams decide which THEY want to use and not Pirelli, if that's not possible due to the logistics then leave as it is with 2 compounds but allow mixing like motogp, e.g. soft fronts and hard rears, this my help front grip when following closely and help the rears last longer?
7- Bring back refuelling
8- Only 4 mechanics allowed for tyre changes, same mechanic undo's nut, takes wheel off, fits new wheel and guns up, have a mechanic on stand to catch removed wheel for safety, this then does not rush the refuellers into making mistakes
9- Exhaust pipe to exit at least 300mm further back than the last aerodynamic surface

Don't know how effective these would be and for sure would need tweaking but its my start anyway

Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Reduce the rear wing to a single fixed plank.

Replace the front wing with a smaller plank that has much less aerodynamic effect.

Replace Ecclestone with a different plank that has much less effect.


MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Doink said:
Can't really find anything to disagree with from Coulthard.

My suggestions would be...

1- Wider track as per DC's suggestion
2- Wider tyres front and back as well as a move to 18" rims Would require a fundamental redesign of suspension systems which will cost more money, not less, at least in the short term for very little benefit overall
3- Wider rear wing as per WEC so that the end plates are level with the outer edge of the tyres, either 2 central supports or end plates, also limit it to one element, no DRS End plates when the car is open wheel?
4- Reduce the thickness of the plank
5- As beautiful as they are the front wings need simplifying, limit it to 2 or 3 elements agree here
6- Bring every tyre compound to each race, let the teams decide which THEY want to use and not Pirelli, if that's not possible due to the logistics then leave as it is with 2 compounds but allow mixing like motogp, e.g. soft fronts and hard rears, this my help front grip when following closely and help the rears last longer?Personally I'd just get rid of the 'must use both tyres' rule as it's stupid.
7- Bring back refuellingSo you want the teams to have free choice of tyres, but then want to introduce refuelling again? That 'free choice' just became the softest option. Pirelli won't bother making the Hard tyre anymore
8- Only 4 mechanics allowed for tyre changes, same mechanic undo's nut, takes wheel off, fits new wheel and guns up, have a mechanic on stand to catch removed wheel for safety, this then does not rush the refuellers into making mistakes Have you watched ANY Formula 1 since 2010 when they last had refuelling? They'll likely still be able to change the tyres faster than they can fuel the car as flow rates will be limited for safety. I'd assume this is part of option 7?
9- Exhaust pipe to exit at least 300mm further back than the last aerodynamic surfaceSo you want a tube sticking out of the back of the car?

Don't know how effective these would be (not very) and for sure would need tweaking but its my start anyway

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

226 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Be very wary of what people say they want in surveys. People lie. Ask Burger King - people said they wanted salads, nobody bought them.

Catweazle

1,125 posts

141 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Aerodynamic elements to be measured by the total surface area.

HarryFlatters

4,203 posts

211 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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The survey will ask fans what they want to see from the show, then it'll be up to the technical working group (if that still exists) to work out how to achieve these requests.

The question will be "do you want the cars to be able to follow more closely", not "do you think that front wings should be limited to a single or double element", because casual fans have the faintest idea what that means or what it'd achieve.

chonok

1,126 posts

234 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Just more noise please...

MitchT

15,788 posts

208 months

Sunday 17th May 2015
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HarryFlatters said:
The survey will ask fans what they want to see from the show...
Well I'd like to see all of it, for a start. Not just the half that Rupert Murdoch hasn't confiscated.

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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Still blaming Sky when the BBC are the ones to blame? Remember the BBC approached Sky, Sky did what any self respecting business would do and grabbed the opportunity.

PW1962

75 posts

117 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Isn't F1 owned by a hedge fund? If so .. All they are about is £££££££££££ .. Opinions don't matter
If it's not then I'm talking bks :-)

rallycross

12,744 posts

236 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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PW1962 said:
Isn't F1 owned by a hedge fund? If so .. All they are about is £££££££££££ .. Opinions don't matter
If it's not then I'm talking bks :-)
Correct.
That is also why the sport is not promoted in the slightest, they just want the max return, it would be nice if someone could pull the rug from under them and see their investment go down the pan (teams exit to new rival series, hosted at the traditional tracks) it will never happen as they are all getting far too rich from the current system.

list of CVC portfolio

http://www.cvc.com/Our-Portfolio.htmx



Inertiatic

1,040 posts

189 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Stop messing with it?

Only thing that I would back is simplifying the front end aero. But mostly STOP MESSING!

charlie7777

112 posts

113 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Why do we need any artificially contrived pit stops? Watching tyre changes and fuel fill is not interesting!

350Matt

3,733 posts

278 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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I'd mandate a downforce limit say 1.5 tonnes and say you can achieve it anyway you like

with the proviso that cars must be able to follow each other in order to gain an aerodynamic 'tow'

also engine regs are free just 200ltrs of fuel and weight penalties for amounts of energy recovery

no Diesels of course though

suffolk009

5,344 posts

164 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Last time they tried giving people what they apparently wanted "more overtaking please", we got DRS and tyres that "improve the show".

Vaud

50,287 posts

154 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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350Matt said:
I'd mandate a downforce limit say 1.5 tonnes and say you can achieve it anyway you like

with the proviso that cars must be able to follow each other in order to gain an aerodynamic 'tow'
And how would you measure that?