Road Rage

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grumpy52

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5,580 posts

166 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Having just read another article about a scum bag terrorising a woman and two young kids in a "road rage" incident no mention was made of any motoring offences or any penalties or restrictions to his licence .
So whats the likely charges? , why no motoring convictions ?
I would have thought a very long driving ban would be the least to expect on top of any other convictions like assault , threatening behaviour etc .


julian64

14,317 posts

254 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Because unless you link to the article we have no way of knownig whether he deserves your comments or not?

She may not have been terrorised at all, but simply using road rage in the same way some people use speeding as a descriptor to try and throw blame off herself or toward someone else.


thescamper

920 posts

226 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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its not currently covered by any specific driving offences, however the usual assault type charges can be and are used, the guy that decided to kick sh@t out of my car terrifying my daughter to the extent she refused to get in any car jfor a year just because he thought I'd held him up got a custodial sentence. Cant remember what the charge was but he elected for a trial as opposed to magistrates.

grumpy52

Original Poster:

5,580 posts

166 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Being a luddite ,links are beyond me .

Monkeylegend

26,385 posts

231 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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julian64 said:
Because unless you link to the article we have no way of knownig whether he deserves your comments or not?

She may not have been terrorised at all, but simply using road rage in the same way some people use speeding as a descriptor to try and throw blame off herself or toward someone else.
Yep, how on earth are we expected to hold a trial by PH without at least a few of the facts.

grumpy52

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5,580 posts

166 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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My interest is not so much about the particular case but more about why the fact that the offences are committed on the road but if convicted they are still allowed back on the road .
Briefly he chased the woman for 20 minutes ,trying to force her to stop ,eventually attacking her car and threatening to kill her and the two children in the car .
All because he thought she used a phone while driving .
He was dealt with by an off duty policeman .
Later charged while in custody for other offences ,and when convicted had addition time added for over 2k worth of unpaid fines .

ging84

8,897 posts

146 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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Why do you need special laws for road rage?
If someone does something dangerous or threatening while behind the wheel, there are plenty of existing laws which cover that, and can result in a driving ban.

If someone gets out the car after a driving incident and makes threats or commits acts of violence, why do they need to be banned from driving, any more than someone who is violent/threatening after having a drink should be banned from drinking, which is a far more significant problem than road rage.

grumpy52

Original Poster:

5,580 posts

166 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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In most cases some pretty outrageous driving takes place .
In this country we only seem to prosecute the most serious of the offences committed, whereas other countries prosecute all the offences committed.

Centurion07

10,381 posts

247 months

Friday 15th May 2015
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ging84 said:
Why do you need special laws for road rage?
If someone does something dangerous or threatening while behind the wheel, there are plenty of existing laws which cover that, and can result in a driving ban.

If someone gets out the car after a driving incident and makes threats or commits acts of violence, why do they need to be banned from driving, any more than someone who is violent/threatening after having a drink should be banned from drinking, which is a far more significant problem than road rage.
I think it's a pertinent question given that someone received points on their licence for warning other drivers of a speed camera they were approaching.

bad company

18,574 posts

266 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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grumpy52 said:
Being a luddite ,links are beyond me .
If you give some clues such as names & places we can probably find the info & post a link for you.

trickywoo

11,789 posts

230 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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grumpy52 said:
Being a luddite ,links are beyond me .
Knowing how to copy and paste is a life skill these days. Its a lot easier than changing a light bulb.

mph1977

12,467 posts

168 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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Do we need specific laws ?

I'd suggest not - like the mobile phone stuff that was just put in as a crowd pleaser , but it also made the points to prove somewhat easier although the sandwich / banana/ bottle of pop cases for DWDCA since have suggested it just needed a bit of thought in evidence gathering and charging .


There's the full gamut of driving offences if either party has done something prosecutably stupid.

There's then assault and all its variations , criminal damage , public order etc for the behaviours directed towards people or vehicles by the aggressor ...

Edited by mph1977 on Saturday 16th May 10:11

robinessex

11,057 posts

181 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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grumpy52 said:
Being a luddite ,links are beyond me .
Select (hghlight) the website address at the top of the page with the left mouse key. Hit control C. Place mouse cursor where you want the link to be. Hit control V. Job done. Must be simple, even my wife can do this !!!

grumpy52

Original Poster:

5,580 posts

166 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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I think my point may not have been put very well .In most cases we only see the criminal charges but any motoring offences are never reported .
If they weren't driving in the first place the rest wouldn't have followed.
The few incidents I have been subjected to all started from very poor driving on the others part which lead to a reaction from them out of guilt ,non have lead to much else because when they spot my size they tend to just rev up and wheel spin away .
Those people commiting road rage are probably not suitable to be behind the wheel but even if prosecuted many still have their licence intact at the end .

grumpy52

Original Poster:

5,580 posts

166 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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As for linking ,most of my time is on tablet or smart phone which only have limited capabilities.
Linking to a specific case usually only leads to the dissection of that case instead of a general discussion of the overall subject .

bad company

18,574 posts

266 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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mph1977 said:
Do we need specific laws ?
Edited by mph1977 on Saturday 16th May 10:11
No. We just need a link so there is a case to discuss.

bad company

18,574 posts

266 months

Saturday 16th May 2015
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mph1977 said:
Do we need specific laws ?
Edited by mph1977 on Saturday 16th May 10:11
No. We just need a link so there is a case to discuss.

LordGrover

33,539 posts

212 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Googled for roadrage woman two children turns up this for OP date: click.

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

135 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Monkeylegend said:
Yep, how on earth are we expected to hold a trial by PH without at least a few of the facts.
Ummm this is PH, facts are usually irrelevant rolleyes

Monkeylegend

26,385 posts

231 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
Monkeylegend said:
Yep, how on earth are we expected to hold a trial by PH without at least a few of the facts.
Ummm this is PH, facts are usually irrelevant rolleyes
Sarcasm dear boy or girl, sarcasm wink