991 GT3 Prices - 50 cars available!
Discussion
RSVP911 said:
When I got mine , without giving it a seconds thought , I drove it 35 miles from the dealer to my house , without stopping for a wee break , or anything ! But hey , I'm just a crazy type of guy . 
Reckless!!!But these GT3's can take that sort of abuse at least once a month!
J-P said:
We're all different. I've had cars that I didn't like that much, then grew to love, others that I loved instantly and always did and others that I really loved and then went off over time. A 100 to 300 miles worth of driving gets me to the point where I know if I'll instantly like it but I wouldn't know whether I'd like other things as a day to day ownership proposition.
For example, I love the noises that new Porsches make, the little pops and crackles but I'm not sure if over time the noise would annoy me. Conversely, I thought the noise of the CR was a little staid compared to other cars in the Porsche stable but I've grown to really love it. This took quite a long time. I still think the CR is a little dull around town but on a hoon or a track it really comes alive. When I first got it, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as on the test drive or as much as I do now.
OT but you make a good point about the pops and crackles. I had a RS3 (the new one) for a couple of hours this week and the noise was hilarious to start with, but I grew tired of it by the end of the test drive and switched to stealth (ier) mode. Feels too contrived - we all like a pop and a bang every so often but not all the time. And plain embarrassing on start up in my local town car park. Or maybe I am just getting old! For example, I love the noises that new Porsches make, the little pops and crackles but I'm not sure if over time the noise would annoy me. Conversely, I thought the noise of the CR was a little staid compared to other cars in the Porsche stable but I've grown to really love it. This took quite a long time. I still think the CR is a little dull around town but on a hoon or a track it really comes alive. When I first got it, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as on the test drive or as much as I do now.
Edited to add, here are my thoughts on the RS3,if anyone is interested (probably not)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by drmark on Saturday 4th July 16:03
ShakMan said:
The Yellow 991 GT3 that I bought from Alpinestar was my car, which I subsequently sold via JZM.
There were a number of reasons I sold it. First of all, yes, prices were being driven up to a level where simply I felt the car did not warrant to be, and if someone was prepared to pay that, well, then clearly it was worth more to them than to me. The speed of the the price increase from the very short time I bought it to when I sold it was also non-nonsensical to me, clearly manipulation of the then supply and demand.
I will be first to admit that I also did very limited mileage in the car, but I did drive the car very enthusiastically around my favorite roads. Very accomplished car, very fast, but something was missing for me. Initially I thought it was lack of the manual box and heel/toe, but then I realized that the car is on song really only in the upper rev band. The problem I found was there were few opportunities for me to wring 9000 rpm out of the car without always going into license loosing territory. So as a road car for me personally, I was less enthusiastic for it. For me, where I knew the car would absolutely thrill would be on the track. But financially, it made no sense to track a £170k car when I could have just as much fun in my 6GT3 at almost 1/4 of the price.
So to conclude, great car, but pricing has muddled its purpose for me. GT3s are to be driven and I knew I wasn't going to drive this one in the way it should be. For the money I think there are better road cars out there, and also better track cars. As an overall package though, and for those who want just want one car, its superb.
Enjoy the banter.
This is 100% reason I sold my RS , loved being an owner until on several occasions it got stuck on speed ramps and I had to get help go get it off, (no axial lift) . I still adored it but in the last year only did 300 miles because the roads are do bad where I live it's a joke, I also enjoyed the profit and brought two porsche with proceeds cayenne v8ds and a 997 gen 2 turbo s TBH I am now content and happy , of course miss saying I had an RS but no guilt in not using it .There were a number of reasons I sold it. First of all, yes, prices were being driven up to a level where simply I felt the car did not warrant to be, and if someone was prepared to pay that, well, then clearly it was worth more to them than to me. The speed of the the price increase from the very short time I bought it to when I sold it was also non-nonsensical to me, clearly manipulation of the then supply and demand.
I will be first to admit that I also did very limited mileage in the car, but I did drive the car very enthusiastically around my favorite roads. Very accomplished car, very fast, but something was missing for me. Initially I thought it was lack of the manual box and heel/toe, but then I realized that the car is on song really only in the upper rev band. The problem I found was there were few opportunities for me to wring 9000 rpm out of the car without always going into license loosing territory. So as a road car for me personally, I was less enthusiastic for it. For me, where I knew the car would absolutely thrill would be on the track. But financially, it made no sense to track a £170k car when I could have just as much fun in my 6GT3 at almost 1/4 of the price.
So to conclude, great car, but pricing has muddled its purpose for me. GT3s are to be driven and I knew I wasn't going to drive this one in the way it should be. For the money I think there are better road cars out there, and also better track cars. As an overall package though, and for those who want just want one car, its superb.
Enjoy the banter.
drmark said:
J-P said:
We're all different. I've had cars that I didn't like that much, then grew to love, others that I loved instantly and always did and others that I really loved and then went off over time. A 100 to 300 miles worth of driving gets me to the point where I know if I'll instantly like it but I wouldn't know whether I'd like other things as a day to day ownership proposition.
For example, I love the noises that new Porsches make, the little pops and crackles but I'm not sure if over time the noise would annoy me. Conversely, I thought the noise of the CR was a little staid compared to other cars in the Porsche stable but I've grown to really love it. This took quite a long time. I still think the CR is a little dull around town but on a hoon or a track it really comes alive. When I first got it, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as on the test drive or as much as I do now.
OT but you make a good point about the pops and crackles. I had a RS3 (the new one) for a couple of hours this week and the noise was hilarious to start with, but I grew tired of it by the end of the test drive and switched to stealth (ier) mode. Feels too contrived - we all like a pop and a bang every so often but not all the time. And plain embarrassing on start up in my local town car park. Or maybe I am just getting old! For example, I love the noises that new Porsches make, the little pops and crackles but I'm not sure if over time the noise would annoy me. Conversely, I thought the noise of the CR was a little staid compared to other cars in the Porsche stable but I've grown to really love it. This took quite a long time. I still think the CR is a little dull around town but on a hoon or a track it really comes alive. When I first got it, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as on the test drive or as much as I do now.
Edited to add, here are my thoughts on the RS3,if anyone is interested (probably not)
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by drmark on Saturday 4th July 16:03
Edited by J-P on Saturday 4th July 23:00
PorscheGT4 said:
Jzm are now driving down the price putting cars for sale cheaper than every one else. Seems they are ruling this market !
£136k !
It's easy to drop the price when you don't own the stock though.£136k !
I bet they wouldn't offer much to buy one outright at the moment with prices so volatile.
I do feel for the person who paid over 170 for the Mexico car a couple of months back.
That being said until the recent car bubble you would lose your coat whenever you bought a new high end car and drove off the forecourt. This depreciation free car ownership thing is a fairly new phenomenon.
They were key driving the price up, and now key driving the price down.
Shame 1 company can make such a change , but of course buyers are to blame really when they kept paying the daft prices. The cars not rare enough for the hype., only the RS model seem to cope with at.
What's odd is a few OPC still have cars with zero miles on them ? the last 2 OPC I have been in have had brand new cars for sale, one was and is still at £180k !
Shame 1 company can make such a change , but of course buyers are to blame really when they kept paying the daft prices. The cars not rare enough for the hype., only the RS model seem to cope with at.
What's odd is a few OPC still have cars with zero miles on them ? the last 2 OPC I have been in have had brand new cars for sale, one was and is still at £180k !
I always thought that the OPC's couldn't sell new stock at above list, but I guess if they actually register them, that suddenly makes them 'second hand' and therefore they can charge what they like. Makes them no better than anyone else for hiking prices...can't say this is a good thing for the Porsche brand; it puts off potential customers like me from becoming a long term Porsche owner.
From a purely business perspective, JZM have probably done the correct thing, by aggressively remarking their own cars ahead of everyone else in order to get shot of their stock. The Agate grey car was their own I believe, and I suspect they came out flat or with a small loss. They still own the white GT3 comfort which is currently the cheapest on the market.
Interesting they pulled the red car (which is SOR) before re-adjusting prices maybe to give impression they were shifting 991 stock. Despite the 20k remarking, I think it is still overpriced now with glaring omission of front-axle lift, so it needs to start with a 130 handle in my opinion. However, owner is still open to offers and I suspect will take one.
I also notice Romans have followed suit and lowered price of their white GT3 as well.
Interesting they pulled the red car (which is SOR) before re-adjusting prices maybe to give impression they were shifting 991 stock. Despite the 20k remarking, I think it is still overpriced now with glaring omission of front-axle lift, so it needs to start with a 130 handle in my opinion. However, owner is still open to offers and I suspect will take one.
I also notice Romans have followed suit and lowered price of their white GT3 as well.
Edited by ThirtySomething on Sunday 5th July 10:40
Porsche opc can not sell new cars over list, this would be a sor car owned by a third party who is / was trying to make a quick buck. Obviously the opc will benefit twice as they have already made commission when selling the car new and now trying to bank a profit on the SOR price.
I very much doubt an opc centre in the current gt climate would take the chance putting out there own cash or even consider putting it on a 30 day stocking loan.
IMO we are starting to see a change in direction for Porsche gt prices in the uk, a number of 4.0 rs cars have been for sale the best part of this year. A high number of 997 gt3 cars for sale, some of which have been for sale for months. 991 gt3 prices are dropping by the day. If these cars don't start selling prices will reduce .
It wouldn't shock me if at least 90% of the cars for sale are SOR. Owned by the new bread gt3 owner which the market created over the last 24 months.
I very much doubt an opc centre in the current gt climate would take the chance putting out there own cash or even consider putting it on a 30 day stocking loan.
IMO we are starting to see a change in direction for Porsche gt prices in the uk, a number of 4.0 rs cars have been for sale the best part of this year. A high number of 997 gt3 cars for sale, some of which have been for sale for months. 991 gt3 prices are dropping by the day. If these cars don't start selling prices will reduce .
It wouldn't shock me if at least 90% of the cars for sale are SOR. Owned by the new bread gt3 owner which the market created over the last 24 months.
RSVP911 said:
RSVP911 said:
J-P said:
Not a great analogy but I agree that if she was clearly not somebody you liked then yes, but if she had potential to be "the one", then one or two dates probably isn't enough to make that decision.
All of this is "girl" analogy is rubbish , I really , really , really , liked my wife on our first date - she just annoys me and gets in my t**s now ! 
I'd swap her for a newer model , but she's take all my money so I'm stuck with her - actually this might be a car apology ?? ( Babe , if you are reading this , this is obviously just not true - I'm just trying to sound like one of the lads to get in with them - really sorry )
Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 4th July 13:11
mdianuk said:
I always thought that the OPC's couldn't sell new stock at above list, but I guess if they actually register them, that suddenly makes them 'second hand' and therefore they can charge what they like. Makes them no better than anyone else for hiking prices...can't say this is a good thing for the Porsche brand; it puts off potential customers like me from becoming a long term Porsche owner.
Good point. When Porsche sell a a nearly new car at a significant premium, and that premium disappears the customer will not be happy with the brand/vendor - no logic to that but that's the way it is.Mermaid said:
mdianuk said:
I always thought that the OPC's couldn't sell new stock at above list, but I guess if they actually register them, that suddenly makes them 'second hand' and therefore they can charge what they like. Makes them no better than anyone else for hiking prices...can't say this is a good thing for the Porsche brand; it puts off potential customers like me from becoming a long term Porsche owner.
Good point. When Porsche sell a a nearly new car at a significant premium, and that premium disappears the customer will not be happy with the brand/vendor - no logic to that but that's the way it is.
GT4RS said:
This ones just had 10k taken off it, was 149k in June ! av185 said:
How many times has this been quoted.....Porsche and the majority of other 'similar' manufacturers (including to a degree, Ferrari) DO NOT dictate second hand prices in an identical way that Estate Agents etc do not with houses. It is the market between willing buyers and sellers who establish the going rate and nothing else.....not even the talking up or down of prices by people on PH can have any influence...
Whilst I accept it is ultimately down to sellers and buyers, and Porsche (or any other manufacturer) don't fix prices, what they do seem to allow is for limited run cars to be consistently purchased by favoured buyers who in turn never take delivery, merely put the car back up for sale with delivery miles at the same OPC, benefiting the OPC greatly from effectively a double profit margin. This is a clear approach to maximise gains, taking advantage of their position and preventing genuine buyers from becoming enthusiasts from becoming owners and long term Porsche customers.GT4RS said:
This ones just had 10k taken off it, was 149k in June !
That now still looks 7k over priced in today's market for its spec.Really nice cars are £139k now so lower spec cars will just never sell even at that.
My perfect spec car is for sale, really nice spec and it's been drooped to £139k even thought about buying it, matters not if it drops 10k when I can make 15k on the Gt4
Very rare to see a car tick box for tick box how you want it, then I thought better lol just bored waiting for the Gt4.
Why buy a car today which will be £5k cheaper in a week ! Hence the issue ATM on these.
PorscheGT4 said:
My perfect spec car is for sale, really nice spec and it's been drooped to £139k even thought about buying it, matters not if it drops 10k when I can make 15k on the Gt4
Very rare to see a car tick box for tick box how you want it, then I thought better lol just bored waiting for the Gt4.
Why buy a car today which will be £5k cheaper in a week ! Hence the issue ATM on these.
What's the tipping point for you to say fVery rare to see a car tick box for tick box how you want it, then I thought better lol just bored waiting for the Gt4.
Why buy a car today which will be £5k cheaper in a week ! Hence the issue ATM on these.
k it I'm buying it.They are still dropping as you say but once they start selling they will stabilise, where do people feel this will be?
Also 997's and 996's seem stable and are selling at current prices, as the gap gets closer will more 997/996 owners jump up to the newer car.
If the gap ever hits 20-30k between a 997 and 991 it's got to be tempting to go for it.
Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff