Mhairi Black's already broken protocol on the first day
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Funny the SNP have plans they feel are best for scotland and expect the views of scotland to come before the views of the UK as a whole. Which got me thinking Scotland has a population of circa 5m where as another area of the UK has a population of 9.7m (Greater London) Then the next two Largest Areas (West Midlands and Greater Manchester) combined come in at 5m.
So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
Gecko1978 said:
Funny the SNP have plans they feel are best for scotland and expect the views of scotland to come before the views of the UK as a whole. Which got me thinking Scotland has a population of circa 5m where as another area of the UK has a population of 9.7m (Greater London) Then the next two Largest Areas (West Midlands and Greater Manchester) combined come in at 5m.
So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
The Scots do seem to feel that they're entitled to more representation than they really are. Their views should be taken into account but the requirement of the other 55m takes precedence when it comes to UK-wide issues.So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
They seem to have forgotten very quickly that less than a decade ago the whole UK was being run by a couple of Scots!
Funk said:
Gecko1978 said:
Funny the SNP have plans they feel are best for scotland and expect the views of scotland to come before the views of the UK as a whole. Which got me thinking Scotland has a population of circa 5m where as another area of the UK has a population of 9.7m (Greater London) Then the next two Largest Areas (West Midlands and Greater Manchester) combined come in at 5m.
So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
The Scots do seem to feel that they're entitled to more representation than they really are. Their views should be taken into account but the requirement of the other 55m takes precedence when it comes to UK-wide issues.So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
They seem to have forgotten very quickly that less than a decade ago the whole UK was being run by a couple of Scots!
My point is simple an MP represents there area on the uk stage so they are one voice of 650 representing 65m voices so one area in the uk is no more special than another. For Scotland only they have msp's. So sturgeon shouting about democratic will is no more significant than the will of the west midlands an Manchester for example
Gecko1978 said:
My point is simple an MP represents there area on the uk stage so they are one voice of 650 representing 65m voices so one area in the uk is no more special than another. For Scotland only they have msp's. So sturgeon shouting about democratic will is no more significant than the will of the west midlands an Manchester for example
The irony about Sturgeon shouting about democratic will is that she wasn't elected. This seems to escape her grasp when she repeatedly mouths off to the media about policies. If only she'd stood as an MP, she could mouth off in an arena that makes policy, rather than prints papers.Funk said:
Gecko1978 said:
Funny the SNP have plans they feel are best for scotland and expect the views of scotland to come before the views of the UK as a whole. Which got me thinking Scotland has a population of circa 5m where as another area of the UK has a population of 9.7m (Greater London) Then the next two Largest Areas (West Midlands and Greater Manchester) combined come in at 5m.
So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
The SNP do seem to feel that they're entitled to more representation than they really are. Their views should be taken into account but the requirement of the other 55m takes precedence when it comes to UK-wide issues.So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
They seem to have forgotten very quickly that less than a decade ago the whole UK was being run by a couple of Scots!
They'll also ignore the rest of Scotland who didn't vote for them.
Funk said:
The Scots do seem to feel that they're entitled to more representation than they really are. Their views should be taken into account but the requirement of the other 55m takes precedence when it comes to UK-wide issues.
They seem to have forgotten very quickly that less than a decade ago the whole UK was being run by a couple of Scots!
A fine job they did too! They seem to have forgotten very quickly that less than a decade ago the whole UK was being run by a couple of Scots!
csd19 said:
Funk said:
Gecko1978 said:
Funny the SNP have plans they feel are best for scotland and expect the views of scotland to come before the views of the UK as a whole. Which got me thinking Scotland has a population of circa 5m where as another area of the UK has a population of 9.7m (Greater London) Then the next two Largest Areas (West Midlands and Greater Manchester) combined come in at 5m.
So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
The SNP do seem to feel that they're entitled to more representation than they really are. Their views should be taken into account but the requirement of the other 55m takes precedence when it comes to UK-wide issues.So if we are talking about democratic mandates etc surely the will of 15m is more important than the will of 5m An I use thoe numbers because whoile 2m voted SNP 5m got the SNP and same can be said in rest of country etc. So to be blunt who cares what the SNP policys are they are in the minority in terms of MP's and people the represent in the UK. Unless one part of the UK is more worthy than the other (course its not) then the minority have to suck it up.
They seem to have forgotten very quickly that less than a decade ago the whole UK was being run by a couple of Scots!
They'll also ignore the rest of Scotland who didn't vote for them.
If I were Scottish I'd be angry, ashamed and embarrassed at the SNP clusterf
k.Funk that was kind of where I was going whether you got in with 50% 30% etc makes no difference as we have FPTP so win and you get to represent whole area etc. So torus got 30 some percent but more than any other individual in an area so they get to rule. SNP could have joined with labour etc but again come second. So now they have a voice for there area etc but it's a voice on the national stage that is no more important than voices in Wales NI or England. They just don't get it.
Funk said:
Sorry, I know they don't speak for you per se but 'technically' they do as they're your representatives in the HoC.
If I were Scottish I'd be angry, ashamed and embarrassed at the SNP clusterfk.
I am and I am...If I were Scottish I'd be angry, ashamed and embarrassed at the SNP clusterf
k.Words fail me how it came to this. I was never fully in favour of PR yet the current system gives the Scots (moi) a level of representation and to an extent, power, that is utterly disproportionate to the population. No-one was too concerned when it was Labour(predominantly)/Conservative seats up for grabs but the SNP with their apparent personal wealth annihilation/redistribution agenda and all that that might encapsulate is a truly terrifying prospect. One, which in fairness from any perspective, could not have easily been foreseen.
Scared? It's the one thing NO voters are saying YES to
.The only positive footnote is that even NS seems to be distancing herself from Ms. Black.
Tellingly, AS is not.
Sturgeon is coming back down to earth.
telegraph said:
Nicola Sturgeon has admitted she faces a “significant challenge” to wring concessions out of a majority Tory Government and cannot prevent David Cameron continuing with austerity.
Speaking ahead of the Queen’s Speech, the First Minister said the SNP would continue to oppose the “scale and speed” of spending cuts proposed by Mr Cameron and argued they would slow the pace of economic recovery.
But, in an admission she cannot force the Prime Minister to change his mind, she said that the 56 SNP MPs will merely argue for austerity to be reduced in Scotland “if the UK Government sticks to its current proposals.”
Similarly, Ms Sturgeon said she recognised than an in-out referendum on Europe was “inevitable” despite her party being opposed to staging the vote.
She admitted getting a Tory Government – “many of whose policies we disagree with” – to change its mind would be difficult but promised that her party would try and win over the Conservatives “in a positive and constructive way”.
Speaking ahead of the Queen’s Speech, the First Minister said the SNP would continue to oppose the “scale and speed” of spending cuts proposed by Mr Cameron and argued they would slow the pace of economic recovery.
But, in an admission she cannot force the Prime Minister to change his mind, she said that the 56 SNP MPs will merely argue for austerity to be reduced in Scotland “if the UK Government sticks to its current proposals.”
Similarly, Ms Sturgeon said she recognised than an in-out referendum on Europe was “inevitable” despite her party being opposed to staging the vote.
She admitted getting a Tory Government – “many of whose policies we disagree with” – to change its mind would be difficult but promised that her party would try and win over the Conservatives “in a positive and constructive way”.
telegraph said:
Ms Sturgeon’s promise that her party would act responsibly at Westminster came in front of an audience of Scottish business leaders, one of whom expressed concern about a second independence referendum.
Speaking at Heart of Midlothian FC's Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh, she outlined the “wider political and economic context” within which she is operating.
“The result of the general election provides an opportunity and a challenge for the Scottish Government. There is clearly an opportunity to ensure that Scotland’s priorities are better understood,” she said.
“But there is also a significant challenge in working with a majority Government at Westminster – many of whose policies we disagree with. That won’t be easy, but it’s a challenge we intend to approach in a positive and constructive way.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon/11630136/Nicola-Sturgeon-Hard-for-SNP-to-get-Tory-concessions.htmlSpeaking at Heart of Midlothian FC's Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh, she outlined the “wider political and economic context” within which she is operating.
“The result of the general election provides an opportunity and a challenge for the Scottish Government. There is clearly an opportunity to ensure that Scotland’s priorities are better understood,” she said.
“But there is also a significant challenge in working with a majority Government at Westminster – many of whose policies we disagree with. That won’t be easy, but it’s a challenge we intend to approach in a positive and constructive way.”
BlackLabel said:
Sturgeon is coming back down to earth.
But she still wants to spend money we don't have.......telegraph said:
Nicola Sturgeon has admitted she faces a “significant challenge” to wring concessions out of a majority Tory Government and cannot prevent David Cameron continuing with austerity.
Speaking ahead of the Queen’s Speech, the First Minister said the SNP would continue to oppose the “scale and speed” of spending cuts proposed by Mr Cameron and argued they would slow the pace of economic recovery.
But, in an admission she cannot force the Prime Minister to change his mind, she said that the 56 SNP MPs will merely argue for austerity to be reduced in Scotland “if the UK Government sticks to its current proposals.”
Similarly, Ms Sturgeon said she recognised than an in-out referendum on Europe was “inevitable” despite her party being opposed to staging the vote.
She admitted getting a Tory Government – “many of whose policies we disagree with” – to change its mind would be difficult but promised that her party would try and win over the Conservatives “in a positive and constructive way”.
Speaking ahead of the Queen’s Speech, the First Minister said the SNP would continue to oppose the “scale and speed” of spending cuts proposed by Mr Cameron and argued they would slow the pace of economic recovery.
But, in an admission she cannot force the Prime Minister to change his mind, she said that the 56 SNP MPs will merely argue for austerity to be reduced in Scotland “if the UK Government sticks to its current proposals.”
Similarly, Ms Sturgeon said she recognised than an in-out referendum on Europe was “inevitable” despite her party being opposed to staging the vote.
She admitted getting a Tory Government – “many of whose policies we disagree with” – to change its mind would be difficult but promised that her party would try and win over the Conservatives “in a positive and constructive way”.
telegraph said:
Ms Sturgeon’s promise that her party would act responsibly at Westminster came in front of an audience of Scottish business leaders, one of whom expressed concern about a second independence referendum.
Speaking at Heart of Midlothian FC's Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh, she outlined the “wider political and economic context” within which she is operating.
“The result of the general election provides an opportunity and a challenge for the Scottish Government. There is clearly an opportunity to ensure that Scotland’s priorities are better understood,” she said.
“But there is also a significant challenge in working with a majority Government at Westminster – many of whose policies we disagree with. That won’t be easy, but it’s a challenge we intend to approach in a positive and constructive way.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon/11630136/Nicola-Sturgeon-Hard-for-SNP-to-get-Tory-concessions.htmlSpeaking at Heart of Midlothian FC's Tynecastle stadium in Edinburgh, she outlined the “wider political and economic context” within which she is operating.
“The result of the general election provides an opportunity and a challenge for the Scottish Government. There is clearly an opportunity to ensure that Scotland’s priorities are better understood,” she said.
“But there is also a significant challenge in working with a majority Government at Westminster – many of whose policies we disagree with. That won’t be easy, but it’s a challenge we intend to approach in a positive and constructive way.”
Yeah and I want soils gold toilet but as I can't afford one and am not the PM what I want is irrelevant. The SNP have to think nationwide as MP's and then more locally as MSPs. Hard I know but if you don't I fear they will go round in circles and just waste there opportunity. Think about it moan all day or try an work the system for benefit of all
Gecko1978 said:
Yeah and I want soils gold toilet but as I can't afford one and am not the PM what I want is irrelevant. The SNP have to think nationwide as MP's and then more locally as MSPs. Hard I know but if you don't I fear they will go round in circles and just waste there opportunity. Think about it moan all day or try an work the system for benefit of all
The problem is that the SNP do not want to work for the benefit of all, only for the benefit of Scotland, who already receive more government spending per capita than citizens in the other parts of the UK.Pan Pan Pan said:
Gecko1978 said:
Yeah and I want soils gold toilet but as I can't afford one and am not the PM what I want is irrelevant. The SNP have to think nationwide as MP's and then more locally as MSPs. Hard I know but if you don't I fear they will go round in circles and just waste there opportunity. Think about it moan all day or try an work the system for benefit of all
The problem is that the SNP do not want to work for the benefit of all, only for the benefit of Scotland, who already receive more government spending per capita than citizens in the other parts of the UK.Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem is that the SNP do not want to work for the benefit of all, only for the benefit of Scotland, who already receive more government spending per capita than citizens in the other parts of the UK.
They are as self-serving as the rest of them, they are there to push SNP agenda's. Whether that benefits Scotland or not is irrelevant to the most of them.MintyScot said:
They are as self-serving as the rest of them, they are there to push SNP agenda's. Whether that benefits Scotland or not is irrelevant to the most of them.
I don't think this observation is entirely accurate. The SNP do not really have an agenda beyond their stated aim of independence, which is why even a basic analysis of their history and policies reveals them to be unprincipled hypocrites.They claim to be green but state Scotland's economy would thrive because of oil. They campaigned in the GE on the basis they would never do deals with 'Tories' yet survived as a minority government in Scotland because of deals with the Scottish Conservatives, and intend to stand side-by-side with CMD on the EU referendum. They claim to be the party of the poor and want Scotland to be socialist, yet stated in their white paper they would cut business rates.
What they demonstrate utterly and decisively is that the swathe of the populous they 'engaged' in politics and persuaded to vote for them are indeed (to misquote Ms. Black) gullible and stupid.
Bercow has to tell the SNP to '...respect the long-established traditions of the House..'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEsbdAddTa0
Ouch. You'd have thought someone would've told them some of the etiquette basics on day 1....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEsbdAddTa0
Ouch. You'd have thought someone would've told them some of the etiquette basics on day 1....!
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