Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7

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technodup

7,576 posts

129 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Another march in Glasgow today. Sheridan and his hangers on still trying to defeat democracy.

Rock on Tommy.

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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fluffnik said:
No, simply end the UK, both Union and Kingdom. smile
Why when I think of Scottish devolution do I think of

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Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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The monkey needs a tracksuit, can of stella and a fag hanging from its mouth.

s2kjock

1,676 posts

146 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Right the answer is to protest - official legal marches against the SNP. Organise them (heck Id help you out if I were more local.).

Start small local villages then get bigger and bigger the momentum will escalate (if that's really people's view) and that will scupper Salmond and Sturgeon and Sweeny Todd. Real grass roots protest.
It is surprising it doesn't happen, but then traditionally those supporting the status quo in any major decision tend not to be so vociferous.

I can't foresee many large scale pro-euro marches coming up when we vote on that soon, albeit the country may well be split in a similar way.

I suspect there is fear among pro-union scots of exacerbating division in communities, which is something that would inevitably happen if people were more upfront/"public" about their views on the matter.

Regardless of particular persuasion, the no side are also mostly a small "c" conservative bunch who "don't like to make a fuss".

Muppetry and self-interest blighted the Better-Together campaign of course and it was extraordinary that they organised no large scale marches/rallies that I am aware of.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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s2kjock said:
Muppetry and self-interest blighted the Better-Together campaign of course and it was extraordinary that they organised no large scale marches/rallies that I am aware of.
How could they? The idiots on the yes campaign would have just turned up for a fight.

Borghetto

3,274 posts

182 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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It'll be interesting to see how the referendum on the EU plays out in Scotland. If I were an SNP supporter I'd take a close look at how Greece were treated by their Euro "partners", principally the Northern "haves". If the SNP ever achieve independence and stick to their madcap spending commitments - they could very easily be treated the same.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Borghetto said:
It'll be interesting to see how the referendum on the EU plays out in Scotland. If I were an SNP supporter I'd take a close look at how Greece were treated by their Euro "partners", principally the Northern "haves". If the SNP ever achieve independence and stick to their madcap spending commitments - they could very easily be treated the same.
We'd actually have to be a member of the EU for that to happen though, which, to be sure, we wouldn't be.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Axionknight said:
We'd actually have to be a member of the EU for that to happen though, which, to be sure, we wouldn't be.
Once they had joined imagine how they would feel being restricted on budget deficit to 1-2% instead they would be pleading about it being anti austerity measure only to be told thanks for that but theme the rules you joined the union you stick to them. Next.

Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Troubleatmill said:
AC43 said:
OpulentBob said:
"Fair and equal"?

So I can send my English kids to Scotland for free university tuition, can I?
You can if you are German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, Dutch, Austrian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Cypriot, Czech, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Hungarian, Irish, Latvian, Maltese, Polish, Romanian, Slovakian or Swedish.

If you are English, however, you are told to "fk right off" and "keep on sending the Barnett money" apparently.
This.... in spades.
In 2011, at the SNP conference, Alex Salmond quoted a line from Burns to promise that "the rocks will melt with the sun" before he allowed tuition fees to be imposed on Scottish students.

So they'll do absolutely anything to prevent this policy promise being broken. They wouldn't want a Clegg moment.

It's a pity they aren't so keen to stick to other promises made such as being willing to work with the British government for the good of the country whatever the outcome of the referendum was; not raising the spectre of another referendum for a generation; and not getting involved in the fox hunting debate in England.

Stone faced, shameless, back stabbing liars.

r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Cobnapint said:
It's a pity they aren't so keen to stick to other promises made such as being willing to work with the British government for the good of the country whatever the outcome of the referendum was; not raising the spectre of another referendum for a generation; and not getting involved in the fox hunting debate in England.

Stone faced, shameless, back stabbing liars.
Yep, but according to the SNP and their followers their duplicitous actions are justified because 'the other guys' did it first by breaking the 'vow', notwithstanding that every pledge made and more has been granted as part of the Smith Commission/Scotland Act.

Very telling that the fervour of the nationalists who used to post here has waned somewhat. I suspect a combination of boredom through a lack of attention span and realisation that the SNP promise what they cannot deliver is making them return to their usual passtimes of Buckie, blaw and third-rate football.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Third rate? I doubt it.

Fifth, maybe.

Leithen

10,798 posts

266 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Axionknight said:
Third rate? I doubt it.

Fifth, maybe.
Brought home by the recent 40th anniversary of "BBC Sportscene" AKA "Footballscene", BBC Scotland's myopic celebration of the nation's mediocre (at best) single sport participation at the expense of all others.

The obsession with a sport which the country is so utterly bad at defies belief. Meanwhile Scottish sportsmen and sportswomen compete at the highest levels Internationally in other sports and get absolutely no Scottish TV coverage whatsoever.

I long for the day when a Scottish football commentator relents from attempting Brazilian levels of rapture and declaration of God-Like sporting prowess by players and instead calls it as it really is - "Well Chick, that was a pretty average attempt at goal that accidentally appears to have pierced the wet flannel of a defence and the ham-fisted attempt by the goalie to keep it out."

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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I wonder when will Scotland use the tax raising powers they currently have and in future will have?

So far they are clearly in total agreement with the UK govt in the 50% down to 45% bracket - as if they didn't they could have used the 3%+\- on the highest rate to take it back to 48%.
Clearly they agree it's better it comes down and more austerity for Poor Scottish people.



Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Not politically convenient, wont happen.

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Welshbeef said:
I wonder when will Scotland use the tax raising powers they currently have and in future will have?

So far they are clearly in total agreement with the UK govt in the 50% down to 45% bracket - as if they didn't they could have used the 3%+\- on the highest rate to take it back to 48%.
Clearly they agree it's better it comes down and more austerity for Poor Scottish people.
You could spin that quite well....

SNP refuses to use its power to keep taxing rich at near 50% and jumps into bed with tories by slashing it to 45% for fat cats on £150k+.

The opposition should be savaging them on this hypocrisy.

r11co

6,244 posts

229 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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///ajd said:
You could spin that quite well....

SNP refuses to use its power to keep taxing rich at near 50% and jumps into bed with tories by slashing it to 45% for fat cats on £150k+.

The opposition should be savaging them on this hypocrisy.
The SNP - More Tory than the Tories.

(I have been using this tagline for several months now and I now claim copyright ©2015 r11co).

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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///ajd said:
You could spin that quite well....

SNP refuses to use its power to keep taxing rich at near 50% and jumps into bed with tories by slashing it to 45% for fat cats on £150k+.

The opposition should be savaging them on this hypocrisy.
Exactly they are weak apparently little thinking outside of the box and from the number of times I've seen FMQs they ask the same question... Um there are x amount of questions if someone else has just asked the question don't ask it instead nail them on another area.

Being an MP is frankly quite easy doing an exceptional job at it wouldn't really challenge that many educated professionals.

NoNeed

15,137 posts

199 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Time Scotland woke up?


Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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NoNeed said:
Time Scotland woke up?

Jesus.

What have they done? Seriously would be interested to know

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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What's the "Orwellian Named Person Scheme"?
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