Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 7
Discussion
NoNeed said:
r11co said:
Trollburger said:
You could challenge any governmental spend and argue it'd be better spent on X, Y or Z.
Answer the question 'burger. £15million on another referendum or the instant eradication of foodbanks 'for a generation'?Choose, or forever be seen as a troll.
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
r11co said:
Trollburger said:
You could challenge any governmental spend and argue it'd be better spent on X, Y or Z.
Answer the question 'burger. £15million on another referendum or the instant eradication of foodbanks 'for a generation'?Choose, or forever be seen as a troll.
Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Perhaps Edinburgher or Stocky could let us know their thoughts on the State appointing a guardian for their children.
Perhaps you could read the legislation and ask a question based on that rather than the Daily Mail's interpretation?What part of the statement below is wrong?
The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
NoNeed said:
Edinburger said:
NoNeed said:
r11co said:
Trollburger said:
You could challenge any governmental spend and argue it'd be better spent on X, Y or Z.
Answer the question 'burger. £15million on another referendum or the instant eradication of foodbanks 'for a generation'?Choose, or forever be seen as a troll.
You, on the other hand, sit at home in the Midlands with Scotland/SNP/etc., on Google Alerts getting all excited when you get an email with a link to new content which you can twist as anti-whatever or racist or anti-Semitic (God knows where that came from).
And then you criticise that bloke from. Bath.
Very odd
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Perhaps Edinburgher or Stocky could let us know their thoughts on the State appointing a guardian for their children.
Perhaps you could read the legislation and ask a question based on that rather than the Daily Mail's interpretation?What part of the statement below is wrong?
The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
Troubleatmill said:
What part of the statement below is wrong?
The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
Not having children and not paying full attention to the poxy talking shop that is Holyrood this is the first I've heard of this. I've just read about it briefly and all I can say is WTF?The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
Was this in their manifesto? They're always quick to point out Tories doing things which weren't in theirs. But aside from that what the actual f
k is this about other than enforcing more control on people? AFAIK children already have a legal guardian, their parent(s). If they don't they have a grandparent or in special cases a social worker or equivalent. This is IMO the issue with having too many layers of government (i.e. Holyrood)- they've all got to be seen to do stuff. And in the case of the SNP it's all about control; land reform, alcohol pricing, named persons bla bla. The sooner Scotland comes to its senses and realises we've been sold a pup by Dewar, Blair and Salmond et al the better.
If this is the sort of s
t they comes up with in the mickey mouse assembly god only knows how bad they'd be if they were a real government. It doesn't bear thinking about.Edinburger said:
AC43 said:
Edinburger said:
r11co said:
Another good reason to avoid the neverendum....
IndyRef cost the public £15.8million.
In an act of altruism, perhaps the SNP should announce IndyRef 2, then cancel it after it has been budgeted and use the money for some welfare reforms and the eradication of foodbanks.
Yeah, right.
The irony is palpable, but soldier on you hypocrite Nationalists - power is the aim, social justice is just the snake oil promise being used to achieve the power.
Don't see the problem. IndyRef cost the public £15.8million.
In an act of altruism, perhaps the SNP should announce IndyRef 2, then cancel it after it has been budgeted and use the money for some welfare reforms and the eradication of foodbanks.
Yeah, right.
The irony is palpable, but soldier on you hypocrite Nationalists - power is the aim, social justice is just the snake oil promise being used to achieve the power.
Huge destruction of value all for the pursuit of nothing.
The additional cost was due to employing extra staff at counting centres, printing additional ballot papers, etc., due to the extremely high turnout.
I agree that £15m is hardly significant in the context of the UK but that does not justify knowingly giving the markets the jitters.
Troubleatmill said:
I have. ( Don't try to second guess what I have or have not read. Try asking "Have you read the legislation?" )
What part of the statement below is wrong?
The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
Presumably the guardian will assess whether the child is being brought up with the correct values.What part of the statement below is wrong?
The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
If the parents aren't grooming them to be whinging victim card carrying english hating racist bigots, then one assumes the SNP will put them into a care home for 'retraining'.
Edinburger said:
Don't see the problem. Marginally over budget but £15m is peanuts.
That reminds me - do you remember wheb Alex Salmond said the TOTAL cost of setting up all the various departments needed in an iScot would be £100m.What a lying incompetent twunt!
How much time is Alex spending in his Dark Star capital now? He never did give back his FM 'retirement' bung did he? Is the FM is still paid more than the PM? What a f&cking joke! All that money to a) whinge about more powers, then b) keep taxation just the same as the UK like the chicken-sh!t tartan tories they are. When are the knuckledraggers going to twig?
Edinburger said:
I have never trolled. Fact.
You, on the other hand, sit at home in the Midlands with Scotland/SNP/etc., on Google Alerts getting all excited when you get an email with a link to new content which you can twist as anti-whatever or racist or anti-Semitic (God knows where that came from).
And then you criticise that bloke from. Bath.
Very odd
Strange as I seem to remember you admitting that you only contributed to wind people up. I wont bother searching for the post as you will only say look squirrel from your place in London.You, on the other hand, sit at home in the Midlands with Scotland/SNP/etc., on Google Alerts getting all excited when you get an email with a link to new content which you can twist as anti-whatever or racist or anti-Semitic (God knows where that came from).
And then you criticise that bloke from. Bath.
Very odd
Oh and i dont remember having a go at the bloke from bath, I remember thinking it strange the scots were giving him a fortune, so any comment would be nothing more than that.
Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 5th September 16:37
Edited by NoNeed on Saturday 5th September 16:58
Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Edinburger said:
Troubleatmill said:
Perhaps Edinburgher or Stocky could let us know their thoughts on the State appointing a guardian for their children.
Perhaps you could read the legislation and ask a question based on that rather than the Daily Mail's interpretation?What part of the statement below is wrong?
The state is appointing a guardian of their choice ( health worker / head teacher ) for every child under the age of 18.
Or is there some reason that you prefer not to do so??
Oh dear, it is getting bad for the SNP when this happens...
Sir Tom Hunter tells Nicola Sturgeon: Stop moaning and focus on running Scotland.
This is a man who knows more about social justice than the entire membership of the upper ranks of the SNP put together. Unlike that selfish bd Alex Salmond, who set up a 'charity' in his mother's name to avoid tax and take off the books tax-payer funded pension pay-offs for political jobs he has retired from only take up new ones within weeks, Sir Tom Hunter actually gives millions of his own cash to established causes (he regularly gives the odd million to Children in Need, and doesn't expect a shot in a Ferrari or a round of golf with Chris Evans in return 
). He's also done more for startup business than any SNP PR initiative ever has.
The Hunter Foundation
KiltWalk
Profile: Sir Tom Hunter
A very benevolent and respected figure who maintained a neutral standpoint at the referendum, his one contribution to the debate being to fund a publication presenting the arguments for and against independence from a purely technocratic standpoint, to allow people to decide from an informed rather than emotional position. Needless to say that fell under the radar for most fervent nationalists.
Now that he has spoken out he will no doubt be demeaned, derided, libelled and possibly physically attacked by ungrateful scum who are not fit to lace his shoes (many of which he will have directly or indirectly helped).
Sir Tom Hunter tells Nicola Sturgeon: Stop moaning and focus on running Scotland.
This is a man who knows more about social justice than the entire membership of the upper ranks of the SNP put together. Unlike that selfish b
d Alex Salmond, who set up a 'charity' in his mother's name to avoid tax and take off the books tax-payer funded pension pay-offs for political jobs he has retired from only take up new ones within weeks, Sir Tom Hunter actually gives millions of his own cash to established causes (he regularly gives the odd million to Children in Need, and doesn't expect a shot in a Ferrari or a round of golf with Chris Evans in return ). He's also done more for startup business than any SNP PR initiative ever has.The Hunter Foundation
KiltWalk
Profile: Sir Tom Hunter
A very benevolent and respected figure who maintained a neutral standpoint at the referendum, his one contribution to the debate being to fund a publication presenting the arguments for and against independence from a purely technocratic standpoint, to allow people to decide from an informed rather than emotional position. Needless to say that fell under the radar for most fervent nationalists.
Now that he has spoken out he will no doubt be demeaned, derided, libelled and possibly physically attacked by ungrateful scum who are not fit to lace his shoes (many of which he will have directly or indirectly helped).
Edited by r11co on Sunday 6th September 11:26
Edinburger said:
Don't see the problem. Marginally over budget but £15m is peanuts.
Might have fed a lot of people though helped food banks. Or let's say a house costs 50,000 to build so that would have built 300 nee family homes (more if you built flats) and that could have happend and the ref still taken place.Course money's not wasted if it furthers the indy dream.
Gecko1978 said:
Edinburger said:
Don't see the problem. Marginally over budget but £15m is peanuts.
Might have fed a lot of people though helped food banks. Or let's say a house costs 50,000 to build so that would have built 300 nee family homes (more if you built flats) and that could have happend and the ref still taken place.Course money's not wasted if it furthers the indy dream.
We elect people to make those decisions for us.
Edinburger said:
True. The UK's £9bn foreign aid budget could build 180,000 family homes at £50K.
We elect people to make those decisions for us.
You are missing the point 'burger. Choosing to invest it on one good cause or another is different from choosing to spend it on a process which will have nothing to show for it, implemented purely to keep your otherwise politically ignorant and disinterested, single-issue engaged support hanging off your every word.We elect people to make those decisions for us.
As I said - indyref 1 money is spent, gone, pissed up the wall. If faced with the choice of spending on social justice or staging it again, which would you choose?
Einion Yrth said:
Edinburger said:
We elect people to make those decisions for us.
You make it sound like we have a choice, in reality we really don't.For Scotland, voting SNP into Holyrood makes sense if you believe in them. Voting them into Westminster is not such a bright move. They will never form a government and due to their basic doctrine they are a poisoned chalice for other parties and unlikely to be accepted as part of a coalition. Therefore they will never have much influence.
It would be better for the Scots to have MPs as part of the government or the strong opposition (although the current opposition is a shambles but one must anticipate something stronger rising from the ashes). This would give them far more influence.
An interesting view on nationalism from a Scot we all admire and respect.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/neil-oliv...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/neil-oliv...
NoNeed said:
An interesting view on nationalism from a Scot we all admire and respect.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/neil-oliv...
"I don't like people who bang the drum of their tribe, thinking that the coincidence of where they were born confers superiority on them"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/neil-oliv...
Wise words, for both sides!
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