RE: Honda NSX-R: Spotted

RE: Honda NSX-R: Spotted

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JMF894

5,478 posts

154 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Guvernator said:
Is this a brilliant car, you bet it is? Is it worth near on 6 figures, sorry, well that's a trickier question. Honda have just as much racing and engineering pedigree as anything from Germany so the badge definitely isn't the issue unless you are ignorant.

The problem is these cars where selling for £30k 5 years ago so what has made it suddenly worth 3 times more? Nothing except an over inflated classic car market. Is it fantastic to drive, hell yes and if you compare the driving experience to anything available today, you MAY be able to justify some sort of price hike.

However these have inflated over and above the odds and the moment a cars is worth more as a collectors item then an actual vehicle is the moment I loose interest and that applies just as well to over-inflated German beetles.
I agree with you here but I must take issue with one point:

To suggest ignorance if people do not appreciate Honda's engineering pedigree but then refer to Porsche's 911 as an over-priced beetle is disrespectful and contradictory.

Jimbo

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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Superb, without a doubt, but it isn't ninety give grand superb, even if it is cooler than any Porsche of the same era.

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Thursday 21st May 2015
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The pictures were taken at Lanzante, who look after more F1s than anyone else.

I noticed people were saying "they were only £30k" on the Facebook thread too. This is incorrect, perhaps a 'normal' NSX was, but this is perhaps only the third NSX-R to make it onto the UK market.

A year or so ago when the Yen was particular strong against the pound, a late facelift NSX-R was circa £250k before importing costs. At the time, despite being a huge NSX fan, i thought this was being strong. As the OP has said though, when you consider the 964 RS is barely any different from the standard 964 yet will cost you over £200k too, this particular NSX-R looks good value. In reality, i'd say the Porsches are overpriced.

It is a shame to see many ignorant posts. The driven mentality to create a bespoke car, built in a purpose-built factory, to take on and shake the supercar industry is something that drew me to the NSX. There is of course the Senna connection, but as a 30 year old it was actually Gran Turismo where a lot of the emotional connection comes from for me.

As said, the sad thing is that these sort of 'purist' cars are becoming out of reach for many of us. However, you could still import a JDM NSX (they come with shorter gearing) for around £20k and enjoy a bit of automotive history.

Josco010

143 posts

191 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Nice car yes but £95k nice No way, Its a fantastic drive probably so, better than a nice 964 rs possible too, thing is there are loads of fantastic cars that drive better than a 964 rs too, even an NSX-R. Point is articles like this as has so often been the case is what drives the market creating cars with silly money, How can one say a car like the NSX is worth that price and justifying it by claiming 964 rs's are fetching £200K and thats acceptable, Piston heads has been instrumental in encouraging this silly prices and now here we go with Matt almost suggesting its okay to pay £95k for a car that has essentially the same power as the others in the add just because it has an "-R" added to the NSX, hence why almost all europeans are aware of our gullibility over here in great blighty and Japanese spec RHD Porsches in mint conditions, Rare M5's, M1's ferari's etc and Japanese own non uk but high end rare brands find there ways here because they all know we would spend with such gullibility on a car that is rare enough but should not command such high premium even in other EU countries but let a journalist state its ok for us to do so and bang the rush goes on to do just that, part with hard earned. Of course if someone is silly enough to suggest its okay to pay silly prices and justify it, their is someone out their smart and greedy enough to try it and equally someone foolish enough to think "Why not its okay to pay that price"... When will it end this attitude of gullibility and greed.... Sigh, I tire!! Keep on

MissChief

7,095 posts

167 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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What sort of power were stock NSX-R's running anyway? Surely 300+HP?

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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I love that. Incredible cars. Enough to make the 964 look a bit silly (accepting the 964 was never heralded as a fantastic drive in it's own right).

AntiguaBill

321 posts

217 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Okay, so all yous you don't think it's worth that will be pleased to know you can go and name your price on a couple for sale in Japan.. Let us know how you get on.

http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/php/search/summary...

Why isn't it worth that? If it isn't worth 95k, how much do you all think it is worth? It's that same as any rare item from any walk of life? I don't know if it's been mentioned but I bet the import costs and getting it through sva are probably at least 5k of the cost there.
God I hate typing on a phone.

cirian75

4,245 posts

232 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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massive saving to import one from Japan even after costs

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

172 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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cirian75 said:
massive saving to import one from Japan even after costs
Can you give example?

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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hondansx said:
The pictures were taken at Lanzante, who look after more F1s than anyone else.

I noticed people were saying "they were only £30k" on the Facebook thread too. This is incorrect, perhaps a 'normal' NSX was, but this is perhaps only the third NSX-R to make it onto the UK market.

A year or so ago when the Yen was particular strong against the pound, a late facelift NSX-R was circa £250k before importing costs. At the time, despite being a huge NSX fan, i thought this was being strong. As the OP has said though, when you consider the 964 RS is barely any different from the standard 964 yet will cost you over £200k too, this particular NSX-R looks good value. In reality, i'd say the Porsches are overpriced.

It is a shame to see many ignorant posts. The driven mentality to create a bespoke car, built in a purpose-built factory, to take on and shake the supercar industry is something that drew me to the NSX. There is of course the Senna connection, but as a 30 year old it was actually Gran Turismo where a lot of the emotional connection comes from for me.

As said, the sad thing is that these sort of 'purist' cars are becoming out of reach for many of us. However, you could still import a JDM NSX (they come with shorter gearing) for around £20k and enjoy a bit of automotive history.
£20K to import one, I think you'd be lucky to be hones, the Noble GTR suddenly looks like good value to me. I know Senna is a legend but the often quoted 'he was involved in the development' never really bothered me, what did was the value, a few grand more than a newish S2000. These prices are just daft, glad I dipped my toe in to ownership when things were more realistic!

cirian75

4,245 posts

232 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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GT3-RS

1,085 posts

218 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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daveco said:
Surely even more special than a 964RS, given the Porsche's disadvantage in its layout, aero, and engine power?

I bet the this engine sounds better too!



Edited by daveco on Thursday 21st May 11:26
LMFAO.....even more special and sounds better than a 964RS?......clearly you've never heard or driven one....such a Clarksonesque statement...as far as I can see the market place (people) dictate what's more special / desirable does it not

Guvernator

13,105 posts

164 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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JMF894 said:
I agree with you here but I must take issue with one point:

To suggest ignorance if people do not appreciate Honda's engineering pedigree but then refer to Porsche's 911 as an over-priced beetle is disrespectful and contradictory.

Jimbo
I appreciate their engineering just as much if not more so than most other cars, I just don't think they are worth some of the insane prices being asked either so my reference to overpriced beetles was a tongue in cheek stab at the prices, not at Porches engineering pedigree which I think is also excellent (on the whole).

Josco010

143 posts

191 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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GT3-RS said:
daveco said:
Surely even more special than a 964RS, given the Porsche's disadvantage in its layout, aero, and engine power?

I bet the this engine sounds better too!



Edited by daveco on Thursday 21st May 11:26
LMFAO.....even more special and sounds better than a 964RS?......clearly you've never heard or driven one....such a Clarksonesque statement...as far as I can see the market place (people) dictate what's more special / desirable does it not
Seen and heard 3, a white 964 RS America and a Yellow RS and an audi rs type blue one, and yes they sound nice but prefer the GT3 rs to the 964 at full chat and the NSX-R sounds better than them all on full chat well nearly better than the GT3rs anyways, but still those prices are silly, even importing personally from japan need not cost near £100k all in, their is point when things get ridiculous, MOST Europeans would not think it for fact. Suggesting or encouraging that its okay to pay those prices pushes the market to that trend of silliness.

Poopipe

619 posts

143 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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hondansx said:
The pictures were taken at Lanzante, who look after more F1s than anyone else.

I noticed people were saying "they were only £30k" on the Facebook thread too. This is incorrect, perhaps a 'normal' NSX was, but this is perhaps only the third NSX-R to make it onto the UK market.

A year or so ago when the Yen was particular strong against the pound, a late facelift NSX-R was circa £250k before importing costs. At the time, despite being a huge NSX fan, i thought this was being strong.
This is my recollection of prices over the last 6-7 years too - 25-30k for a normal one and "if you have to ask.." for the R.

It was this that made me decide there were other cars i could buy instead.



soad

32,829 posts

175 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Derek Chevalier said:
cirian75 said:
massive saving to import one from Japan even after costs
Can you give example?
Older car:
http://www.japan-partner.com/Auto/6473/Honda/NSX/c...

Newer (expensive) car:
http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/HONDA/NSX...

Clivey

5,108 posts

203 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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I have to say; though people love to slag-off Japanese car interiors, the NSX's still looks good after all these years. It's only the tape slot in the dash that gives the age away IMO and that can be replaced with aftermarket ICE (replacement trim panel allowing you to fit a new headunit).

Usget

5,426 posts

210 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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soad said:
They haven't got the hang of the whole "sales pitch" thing, have they?

Ad said:
...high society,large displacement,ordinary options,professional,right handle,smoke free,ordinary engined,commonly used,not smart key,need a key,regular seats,no airbags,regular steering,no Parking Camera...
If that was the high society option, the pauper spec must have been really basic.

Bladedancer

1,260 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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yonex said:
Bladedancer said:
Kudos you say. Can Porsche say that Senna helped develop and tune their car?
I don't think Porsche are short of Kudos wink
Frankly to me - they are. Seriously, I don't understand the fascination with Porsches. Old 911s didn't drive that well and were prone to flying off into random elements of the scenery if they didn't like how you cornered.
Engine sound is just wrong and to me not pleasant at all.
Yes, cliche, but they DO look like a Bettle with X-many facelifts.
Reliability wise they are not quite what people think they are (btw in case you want to quote Dekra - first find out how the report is complied. You'll see why Porsche is so high.)
And it ain't a bull or prancing horse...

Bladedancer

1,260 posts

195 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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lauda said:
Bladedancer said:
Kudos you say. Can Porsche say that Senna helped develop and tune their car?
[..] I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Senna actually had very little input in the development of the car.
Just helped to tune the suspension so nothing important at all.