Cyclist knocks over child ON THE PAVEMENT...

Cyclist knocks over child ON THE PAVEMENT...

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Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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funkyrobot said:
You'd be surprised at how many people think the child running out to the car on her own isn't an issue. Personally, I don't agree with it because you simply do not know what is on the pavement (as shown in this example), and you can't trust a child to go where you want it to.

It seems like I'm in the minority in thinking this isn't good practice. Doesn't bother me really as people are entitled to look after their children how they wish to. When my daughter starts walking, she won't be going anywhere near a road without being looked after properly.
The child isn't on it's own, it's following it's mother to the car.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Timmy40 said:
funkyrobot said:
You'd be surprised at how many people think the child running out to the car on her own isn't an issue. Personally, I don't agree with it because you simply do not know what is on the pavement (as shown in this example), and you can't trust a child to go where you want it to.

It seems like I'm in the minority in thinking this isn't good practice. Doesn't bother me really as people are entitled to look after their children how they wish to. When my daughter starts walking, she won't be going anywhere near a road without being looked after properly.
The child isn't on it's own, it's following it's mother to the car.
The father was also behind her and may on said something like "Go straight to the car/mother, be careful of the road".

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
Timmy40 said:
funkyrobot said:
You'd be surprised at how many people think the child running out to the car on her own isn't an issue. Personally, I don't agree with it because you simply do not know what is on the pavement (as shown in this example), and you can't trust a child to go where you want it to.

It seems like I'm in the minority in thinking this isn't good practice. Doesn't bother me really as people are entitled to look after their children how they wish to. When my daughter starts walking, she won't be going anywhere near a road without being looked after properly.
The child isn't on it's own, it's following it's mother to the car.
The father was also behind her and may on said something like "Go straight to the car/mother, be careful of the road".
I think you'll find the child was running alone onto the pavement.

Did I see a different clip?

audidoody

8,597 posts

256 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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If the cyclist is not a grown-up it doesn't bother me if they are on the pavement

About 12 years ago I was taking a TT V6 for a road test. The roads around the back of the dealership were residential, very narrow with limited visibility from parked cars. The dealer was enthusiastically telling me how fast the car could go. For some reason unknown to me I kept my speed to under 10mph.

A kid on a bike suddenly shot out from the pavement between two cars right in front of me. Thank Christ I was able to stop the car stock still before it hit him. He still went sailing over the bonnet due to his own momentum. We rushed over to him. He was shaken but not stirred and actually profusely apologised, dusted himself down and headed off.

I can't tell you how much it gave me the shakes and sts to think what might have happened if I had even been going 15 mph. To this day I never go more than 10mph on a built-up side road with cars either side.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Grumfutock said:
Timmy40 said:
funkyrobot said:
You'd be surprised at how many people think the child running out to the car on her own isn't an issue. Personally, I don't agree with it because you simply do not know what is on the pavement (as shown in this example), and you can't trust a child to go where you want it to.

It seems like I'm in the minority in thinking this isn't good practice. Doesn't bother me really as people are entitled to look after their children how they wish to. When my daughter starts walking, she won't be going anywhere near a road without being looked after properly.
The child isn't on it's own, it's following it's mother to the car.
The father was also behind her and may on said something like "Go straight to the car/mother, be careful of the road".
I think you'll find the child was running alone onto the pavement.

Did I see a different clip?
You must have because in the one I saw the mother is clearly opening the car door about 3ft away and the father is at the front of the house. Unless they have immensely wide pavements the child was no where near 'alone'.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PoleDriver said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I love the way a thread about a cyclist running over a child ends up with cyclists blaming motorists.

rofl
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But are you surprised?
No - I only read the thread to see how long it took the usual suspects to arrive and start blaming drivers.

laugh

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Johnnytheboy said:
PoleDriver said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I love the way a thread about a cyclist running over a child ends up with cyclists blaming motorists.

rofl
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But are you surprised?
No - I only read the thread to see how long it took the usual suspects to arrive and start blaming drivers.

laugh
If it wasn't for vehicle drivers, why would people who aren't simply idiots ride on the pavement?

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Timmy40 said:
You must have because in the one I saw the mother is clearly opening the car door about 3ft away and the father is at the front of the house. Unless they have immensely wide pavements the child was no where near 'alone'.
Child wasn't properly supervised across the pavement. You simply cannot let a child run anywhere near a road.

Timmy40

12,915 posts

198 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Timmy40 said:
You must have because in the one I saw the mother is clearly opening the car door about 3ft away and the father is at the front of the house. Unless they have immensely wide pavements the child was no where near 'alone'.
Child wasn't properly supervised across the pavement. You simply cannot let a child run anywhere near a road.
In the real world, all parents I have ever seen will allow a child to cross from one side of the pavement to their car waiting on the other side of the SAME pavement. You will too.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Johnnytheboy said:
PoleDriver said:
Johnnytheboy said:
I love the way a thread about a cyclist running over a child ends up with cyclists blaming motorists.

rofl
:
But are you surprised?
No - I only read the thread to see how long it took the usual suspects to arrive and start blaming drivers.

laugh
If it wasn't for vehicle drivers, why would people who aren't simply idiots ride on the pavement?
That assumes they aren't all idiots.

It's the crashing into children bit that's the problem.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Timmy40 said:
funkyrobot said:
Timmy40 said:
You must have because in the one I saw the mother is clearly opening the car door about 3ft away and the father is at the front of the house. Unless they have immensely wide pavements the child was no where near 'alone'.
Child wasn't properly supervised across the pavement. You simply cannot let a child run anywhere near a road.
In the real world, all parents I have ever seen will allow a child to cross from one side of the pavement to their car waiting on the other side of the SAME pavement. You will too.
Of course. I'll do exactly as you say.

I think it's stupid letting a child run anywhere near a road. However, that's my opinion.

1ians

398 posts

193 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Of course the child needs to be watched, but at three they will have a little understanding of the difference between the pavement and the road. The child may also be performing an action they do every day when they leave their house and get into the car.

Both parents respond instantly too indicating they were keeping an eye on their daughter.

I was impressed with the fathers first reaction to go look after his daughter.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Grumfutock said:
Timmy40 said:
funkyrobot said:
You'd be surprised at how many people think the child running out to the car on her own isn't an issue. Personally, I don't agree with it because you simply do not know what is on the pavement (as shown in this example), and you can't trust a child to go where you want it to.

It seems like I'm in the minority in thinking this isn't good practice. Doesn't bother me really as people are entitled to look after their children how they wish to. When my daughter starts walking, she won't be going anywhere near a road without being looked after properly.
The child isn't on it's own, it's following it's mother to the car.
The father was also behind her and may on said something like "Go straight to the car/mother, be careful of the road".
I think you'll find the child was running alone onto the pavement.

Did I see a different clip?
Yes you must off because the father was just out of camera BEHIND her. Well either that or the guy that appears as soon she is hit is an Olympic sprinter and ran from the back garden!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

165 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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funkyrobot said:
Timmy40 said:
You must have because in the one I saw the mother is clearly opening the car door about 3ft away and the father is at the front of the house. Unless they have immensely wide pavements the child was no where near 'alone'.
Child wasn't properly supervised across the pavement. You simply cannot let a child run anywhere near a road.
Wow how have I and my children survived! Lordy it must be a miracle! Praise the great pasta man!

mikebradford

2,518 posts

145 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Reading this thread is disheartening
Its obvious the only person in the wrong is the cyclist
I have less issue with him being on the pavement , than i do with him riding off afterwards

To say the child isnt supervised is ridiculous.
Barring holding a achilds hand everywhere they go, or having one of those leash things its resonable to watch your child leave your house and head to the car.

To try and say the child may have run into the road is pathetic. And smacks of looking for someone else to blame other than the cyclist.
Its pure speculation.
Id rather go on the facts. And its clear both parents were in close proximity. The child never went on the road.
Cyclist knocked down child on pavement. Parents tended to child very quickly. And cyclist choose to ride off.
I think the police will take care of this easily smile


PoleDriver

Original Poster:

28,637 posts

194 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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It's only the cyclists who think the cyclist did nothing wrong, strangely enough?

gazza285

9,810 posts

208 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PoleDriver said:
It's only the cyclists who think the cyclist did nothing wrong, strangely enough?
Eh? Who has defended the bloke?


ewenm

28,506 posts

245 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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PoleDriver said:
It's only the cyclists who think the cyclist did nothing wrong, strangely enough?
Has anyone actually said that?

I don't think anyone is disputing that this cyclist is a complete imbecile.

mikebradford

2,518 posts

145 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Watching the vid again, whats intresting is the speed.
Hard to know for sure, but the moving car is moving at a similar rate to the bike.
And regardless of it being a built up area , im purely guessing the car was doing at least 15mph.
Considering the cyclist could see the women stood at the door of her car, he should have anticipated her movements.
And prepared for worse case scenario that she hadnt seen him.
Slowing down as necessary
In reality he was going far to fast regardless of not being legally allowed on the pavement.

Blaming the little girl also makes no sense. What would have happened if it had been a blind person stepping out
Would the people on here also have been claiming they were about to run on the road!

I hope the little girl recovers

And the idiot gets whats coming to him

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

228 months

Friday 22nd May 2015
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Grumfutock said:
funkyrobot said:
Timmy40 said:
You must have because in the one I saw the mother is clearly opening the car door about 3ft away and the father is at the front of the house. Unless they have immensely wide pavements the child was no where near 'alone'.
Child wasn't properly supervised across the pavement. You simply cannot let a child run anywhere near a road.
Wow how have I and my children survived! Lordy it must be a miracle! Praise the great pasta man!
I don't know how fools like you survive.