RE: Lancia Stratos court battle: father wins
Discussion
JONSCZ said:
Pat H said:
What an utterly depressing read. I don't know whether to feel pity or anger.
My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.
Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.
I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.
Pat, I also couldn't agree more.My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.
Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.
I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.
I have to say that's one of the most well written, poignant and emotional things I've read on Pistonheads in a long time. In fact, is it me, or is it 'a bit dusty in here'....
TomEP said:
Well said. My dad is 67 and has been quite ill recently but is coming back strong now. I could never imagine falling out with him. I bought his 993 off him rather than borrowing it and then suing him like this plonker!
Did you remember to get a receipt ? I bet his Dad is regretting spoiling his little boy so much now, Mr Hrabalek not yours Tom. 
Pat H said:
What an utterly depressing read. I don't know whether to feel pity or anger.
My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.
Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.
I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.
Same (ish) here. My dad died at 59. A year before I got my first "nice" car. I would have loved him to see it and been able to swap it for his 350Z for the weekend. I'm sure he would have loved my MX5. It's not exactly a stratos, but to have been able to have been excited about my bikes and cars rather than just vague plans about what I wanted when I had enough money to buy more than the shed Clio I had (and my parants kindly gave me)My Dad was a real petrolhead and he and I shared many cars and bikes.
Regrettably, he died at the ripe old age of 63.
I would give anything to spend a couple of hours with him. To tell him how his grand daughters turned out and to have a laugh about all the daft cars and bikes that I have owned during the last 13 years.
However, we don't know the full story of the cars. Perhaps the son was being disinherited for some other reason, like the father didn't approve of someone he was marrying, and the son felt he owned the cars after being "given" them and spending 10 years maintaining them at vast expense (even sitting still old Italian cars are not cheap). We never will know so it's very difficult to judge them and say either of them is in the wrong or should have done something differently. We have no idea why they were are arguing over the cars.
Edited by SteveSteveson on Saturday 23 May 08:23
TR4man said:
A sad tale indeed.
However I am sure that there is more to this story than we know.
Anyway, am I going senile, or can anyone else remember reading about a German guy who used his (genuine) Stratos as a pizza delivery car?
This one:However I am sure that there is more to this story than we know.
Anyway, am I going senile, or can anyone else remember reading about a German guy who used his (genuine) Stratos as a pizza delivery car?
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/csc-featur...
Also, it seems that, from other news sites, the issue is that the father "gave" the son the cars in 2000, then after having the cars for 12 years the father wanted them back to sell as he had lost a load of money so wanted to sell them. Is it acceptable for someone to demand a gift back (if it was a gift) years after the fact if they need money? I don't think you can say either party is the one totally at fault.
Chances are that if the son is a dick then he has acquired that from his father.
We don't know why they have demeaned themselves by having such a pathetic spat over something so trivial but what we do know is that both of them are dicks who have actually stooped so low as to have placed a value on their relationship.
Very pie quay.
We don't know why they have demeaned themselves by having such a pathetic spat over something so trivial but what we do know is that both of them are dicks who have actually stooped so low as to have placed a value on their relationship.
Very pie quay.
SteveSteveson said:
TR4man said:
A sad tale indeed.
However I am sure that there is more to this story than we know.
Anyway, am I going senile, or can anyone else remember reading about a German guy who used his (genuine) Stratos as a pizza delivery car?
This one:However I am sure that there is more to this story than we know.
Anyway, am I going senile, or can anyone else remember reading about a German guy who used his (genuine) Stratos as a pizza delivery car?
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/csc-featur...
Also, it seems that, from other news sites, the issue is that the father "gave" the son the cars in 2000, then after having the cars for 12 years the father wanted them back to sell as he had lost a load of money so wanted to sell them. Is it acceptable for someone to demand a gift back (if it was a gift) years after the fact if they need money? I don't think you can say either party is the one totally at fault.
smuudge said:
Now, if it were me and a situation had arisen that my father had wilfully frittered away his money then my priority would be to protect my mother. And giving back the cars to my father would be the absolute last thing I would be doing.
The simple fact is that we do not know the true reason as to why the father asked for the cars back.
If it's because he has left his wife at risk due to gambling away his wealth then it would be very silly to gift the cars back.
If it's because they have gone up so much in value that the father suddenly feels he was too generous and wants them back, well that makes him a bit of a low rent
and I'd side with the son and shot of the pie quay. If it's because the father accidentally fell on hard times then you'd sell the cars and give all the proceeds to your father.
Statistics point is towards the scenario where maybe the son has used the cars as collateral to fund a debt riddled existence and the father strongly disapproves and wants to take the cars back to control his kid.
Well, even then, he had the whole of the boys childhood to raise him not to be the person he now disapproves of. He had two decades, minimum and clearly he chose not to put in the work. His son is a function of his parenting. If the son is a debt monkey waster it's because of him.
So, even in this scenario, it is the father's error and he should be man enough to face up to what he has created and accept that it's a bit late now to start playing at Dad.
But the reality is that there are endless possible scenarios that lay logical blame at either doorstep. But we do not know what these important factors are. Waster dad? Waster son? Both wasters? Father disapproves of son dating a non whit woman or dating another man? Son a drug addict in need of rehab? Who the hell knows it could be any number of wierd reasons.
All we can say is that it is very sad and it should have gone to arbitration a long time ago.
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