The 'No to the EU' campaign

[s2art]

zygalski said:

Ayahuasca said:

The BOE refers to 'economic effects of leaving'

The BBC translates this to 'financial risks of leaving'

A subtle yet telling spin.

Well really. What a load of old tosh. Is this what you lot are confined to now that the UKIP - The Future thread has died in the womb?
We're in the EU. The BoE would hardly be about to research the economic effects of staying, would they?

Damn right they would! The BoE will be analysing the impact of effects of the Eurozone on the UK, particularly as there is a lot of uncertainty due to the Greek situation, not to mention big risks from Spain and Italy further downstream. The EU is splitting into out of the Euro and within the Eurozone groups, things must change, and the BoE has to stay on top of the situation.

[Ayahuasca]

zygalski said:

Ayahuasca said:

The BOE refers to 'economic effects of leaving'

The BBC translates this to 'financial risks of leaving'

A subtle yet telling spin.

Well really. What a load of old tosh. Is this what you lot are confined to now that the UKIP - The Future thread has died in the womb?
We're in the EU. The BoE would hardly be about to research the economic effects of staying, would they?

Economic effects of leaving would invilve being able to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world. 'Effects' include positives such as this. 'Risks' are perceived as purely negative. See?

[zygalski]

s2art said:

Damn right they would! The BoE will be analysing the impact of effects of the Eurozone on the UK, particularly as there is a lot of uncertainty due to the Greek situation, not to mention big risks from Spain and Italy further downstream. The EU is splitting into out of the Euro and within the Eurozone groups, things must change, and the BoE has to stay on top of the situation.

Ok.
Outline for me the negatives & detail the financial costs of Britain leaving the EU.

[s2art]

zygalski said:

s2art said:

Damn right they would! The BoE will be analysing the impact of effects of the Eurozone on the UK, particularly as there is a lot of uncertainty due to the Greek situation, not to mention big risks from Spain and Italy further downstream. The EU is splitting into out of the Euro and within the Eurozone groups, things must change, and the BoE has to stay on top of the situation.

Ok.
Outline for me the negatives & detail the financial costs of Britain leaving the EU.

That would depend on the outcome of the negotiations that would happen after Article 50 had been invoked. (its unlikely we would leave any other way). So, do your own homework.

[zygalski]

s2art said:

zygalski said:

s2art said:

Damn right they would! The BoE will be analysing the impact of effects of the Eurozone on the UK, particularly as there is a lot of uncertainty due to the Greek situation, not to mention big risks from Spain and Italy further downstream. The EU is splitting into out of the Euro and within the Eurozone groups, things must change, and the BoE has to stay on top of the situation.

Ok.
Outline for me the negatives & detail the financial costs of Britain leaving the EU.

That would depend on the outcome of the negotiations that would happen after Article 50 had been invoked. (its unlikely we would leave any other way). So, do your own homework.

Fine.
So you have absolutely no idea.
If you don't know what the costs are for leaving the EU then you cannot make any kind of informed decision about whether Britain is better off inside the EU or not. You certainly can't make a persuasive argument for leaving the EU.

[s2art]

zygalski said:

s2art said:

zygalski said:

s2art said:

Damn right they would! The BoE will be analysing the impact of effects of the Eurozone on the UK, particularly as there is a lot of uncertainty due to the Greek situation, not to mention big risks from Spain and Italy further downstream. The EU is splitting into out of the Euro and within the Eurozone groups, things must change, and the BoE has to stay on top of the situation.

Ok.
Outline for me the negatives & detail the financial costs of Britain leaving the EU.

That would depend on the outcome of the negotiations that would happen after Article 50 had been invoked. (its unlikely we would leave any other way). So, do your own homework.

Fine.
So you have absolutely no idea.
If you don't know what the costs are for leaving the EU then you cannot make any kind of informed decision about whether Britain is better off inside the EU or not. You certainly can't make a persuasive argument for leaving the EU.

And wrong again. There are many analyses out there, now including one from the BoE. As I said, do your own homework.

[zygalski]

s2art said:

And wrong again. There are many analyses out there, now including one from the BoE. As I said, do your own homework.

My homework suggests that the BoE analysis hasn't yet begun.
I have to say, your argument is not convincing me that leaving the EU is in our best collective interests.

[s2art]

zygalski said:

s2art said:

And wrong again. There are many analyses out there, now including one from the BoE. As I said, do your own homework.

My homework suggests that the BoE analysis hasn't yet begun.
I have to say, your argument is not convincing me that leaving the EU is in our best collective interests.

Then take an 'F' on your homework. At the moment I am not trying to convince you. If we are to have an intelligent and informed debate you need to get up to speed. Take a look at some of the analyses.

[zygalski]

s2art said:

Then take an 'F' on your homework. At the moment I am not trying to convince you. If we are to have an intelligent and informed debate you need to get up to speed. Take a look at some of the analyses.

Which ones? Presumably the cost/benefit analyses you've looked at are totally unbiased in any way...
Anyhow, it doesn't seem to have done you much good, seeing as you can't tell me the costs of leaving the EU.

[zygalski]

Come on, we're all adults.
You want Britain to leave the EU based upon a hunch.

[s2art]

zygalski said:

s2art said:

Then take an 'F' on your homework. At the moment I am not trying to convince you. If we are to have an intelligent and informed debate you need to get up to speed. Take a look at some of the analyses.

Which ones? Presumably the cost/benefit analyses you've looked at are totally unbiased in any way...
Anyhow, it doesn't seem to have done you much good, seeing as you can't tell me the costs of leaving the EU.

If you want a biased one, check out one from a pro-EU organisation;

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/britain-and-...

[s2art]

The least biased I know of.

http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/publicat...

[Mojocvh]

zygalski said:

s2art said:

And wrong again. There are many analyses out there, now including one from the BoE. As I said, do your own homework.

My homework suggests that the BoE analysis hasn't yet begun.
I have to say, your argument is not convincing me that leaving the EU is in our best collective interests.

The only one "arguing" is you.

You [as normal] totally fail to support your position in the slightest, apart from the school playground retorts...

[NicD]

zygalski said:

Come on, we're all adults.
You want Britain to leave the EU based upon a hunch.

as usual your turn of phrase is child like, but turn it around.

You want us to STAY in the EU based on a 'hunch'?

Or, as actually is the case, are there some knowns on both sides and many unknown, unknowns which must have 'best assessment' applied, with transparency over the assumptions used.

[AJS-]

The idea that there is or even can be unbiased and accurate forecasts about leaving or staying in the EU is infantile.

[NicD]

There is a picture of a fat,smug man in the Guardian with these words, apparently he believes them:

'Voting age for EU referendum should be lowered to 16, says SNP Leader of Scottish National Party MPs'

He went on to say: '“Scotland sent out the the message loudly and clearly that 16- and 17-year-olds should have the right to shape the country they live in'

But he doesn't say why to stop at 16, why not let Scots of all ages vote? Surely this facile argument applies to all ages, new born to dying

[johnfm]

No chance at all that the UK will vote to leave in a referendum. Electorate are too risk averse.

[NicD]

At the very least, we will have our best shot at wresting some control back from the monster.

[turbobloke]

Headline in one of the Sunday papers says that Labour has done a U-turn on the matter of a referendum, at least for now.

[turbobloke]

Sky news coverage:

http://news.sky.com/story/1489735/labour-party-u-t...