The 'No to the EU' campaign

[Ayahuasca]

Good to see a heavyweight Tory like Nigel Lawson stepping up to lead an OUT campaign.

[PRTVR]

Bluebarge said:

PRTVR said:

Bluebarge said:

Scuffers said:

where did you get this 2.5% figure, cause I suspect it's total bks..

Well, if you're too lazy to google it, try this:
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...
Plus you might want to reflect on this, and the impact of all those elderly Brits currently being looked after by the Iberian health systems who will be back claiming off the NHS if we leave the EU:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp...

Do not the Spanish charge the NHS for treatment of UK residents?
Anyway we would be better off financial.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/07/tre...

No, I'm talking about the 1m Brits who are permanently resident in Spain. And that article you quote doesn't back up your assertion about being better off financially. In fact, anything on that point is mostly conjecture.

I am still at a loss why we should base our in out decision on people who have decided to live in another country, they have options private medical insurance become citizens of what ever country they are resident, they will not all decide to come home, how do you think they managed before the EU?

[Esseesse]

Probably good that Zac Goldsmith has been nominated the Conservative candidate for London Mayor.

[steveT350C]

Merkel tipped among Nobel Peace Prize favorites

http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-tipped-among-nobel-pea...

[turbobloke]

steveT350C said:

Merkel tipped among Nobel Peace Prize favorites

http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-tipped-among-nobel-pea...

Citation...for humane treatment of Greeks?!

Still, after Obama's worthless gong nothing is unexpected.

[fido]

turbobloke said:

steveT350C said:

Merkel tipped among Nobel Peace Prize favorites

http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-tipped-among-nobel-pea...

Citation...for humane treatment of Greeks?!

Still, after Obama's worthless gong nothing is unexpected.

"The reason: her actions in the Ukraine crisis and the refugee policies"

F*cking unbelievable. Even Bliar must be laughing at this!

Surely Putin should be nominated as well?

[FiF]

And now the head of GE saying that international relations are more important than whether UK is in or out of the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11909...

Jeff Immelt said:

As a global investor, it really doesn’t matter. We have a big presence here and we’re a big exporter from here. So it’s important the UK has good relationships around the world, but I don’t really think that its place in the European Union makes that much difference.”

Meanwhile elsewhere on the page as a graph of something or other shows the IN lead reducing the Telegraph has a non scientific poll. Currently running at 87% for Out 13% for in.

[turbobloke]

FiF said:

And now the head of GE saying that international relations are more important than whether UK is in or out of the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11909...

Jeff Immelt said:

As a global investor, it really doesn’t matter. We have a big presence here and we’re a big exporter from here. So it’s important the UK has good relationships around the world, but I don’t really think that its place in the European Union makes that much difference.”

Meanwhile elsewhere on the page as a graph of something or other shows the IN lead reducing the Telegraph has a non scientific poll. Currently running at 87% for Out 13% for in.

What the hell were the 13% thinking about

[anonymous-user]

FiF said:

And now the head of GE saying that international relations are more important than whether UK is in or out of the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11909...

Jeff Immelt said:

As a global investor, it really doesn’t matter. We have a big presence here and we’re a big exporter from here. So it’s important the UK has good relationships around the world, but I don’t really think that its place in the European Union makes that much difference.”

Meanwhile elsewhere on the page as a graph of something or other shows the IN lead reducing the Telegraph has a non scientific poll. Currently running at 87% for Out 13% for in.

And he's undeniably correct.

[FiF]

REALIST123 said:

And he's undeniably correct.

Yep he is spot on. From his perspective he is, it matters not much. Taking other factors into account means the 87% in the Telegraph poll, unscientific and self selecting though it may be, are also correct. EU is a fair weather organisation, events of the last few years, and in particular the last few months, have shown how particularly useless it is when the fair weather ends and the stormy waves whip up. Any organisation can survive and prosper on a calm and rising tide, rough weather and low water soon shows up poor planning, navigation and captaincy. The EU has all the marks of an old square rigger, embayed in uncharted rocky waters with a strong onshore gale.

[steveT350C]

There is no good reason to stay in the EU...

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/there-is...

[FiF]

steveT350C said:

There is no good reason to stay in the EU...

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/there-is...

As the first comment says the Euro-philes will have nothing much to say in answer to that, except in their snidey way to point out that Pete North is the son of Richard North, as if in their little minds it makes what he has to say of little worth. They're just plain wrong in that of course as the EU is an expensive encumbrance. Bit like one of those companies with many layers of expensive key rattling middle management.

[steveatesh]

FiF said:

steveT350C said:

There is no good reason to stay in the EU...

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/there-is...

As the first comment says the Euro-philes will have nothing much to say in answer to that, except in their snidey way to point out that Pete North is the son of Richard North, as if in their little minds it makes what he has to say of little worth. They're just plain wrong in that of course as the EU is an expensive encumbrance. Bit like one of those companies with many layers of expensive key rattling middle management.

This is true sadly. I read Richard Norths blog daily and there is no doubt he knows his stuff and his analysis is usually spot on. It's a shame he has made himself persona non grata with his style however.

[Scuffers]

Momentum is building...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

[steveT350C]

Scuffers said:

Momentum is building...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eurefer...

Indeed it is.

It would be good to create a wiki list of all the big guns who have joined the 'out' campaign. If it were in a jpg format I could use it on Twitter. I would do this myself but dont know how to hope someone else could sort it

I will start pulling together names, organisations and quotes....

[turbobloke]

The Sunday Times front page suggests that CMD is in a panic after the Out campaign launched, while The Independent - it is, are you - puts scaremongering before reality when it says we would have no say on the terms of a Brexit before caving in straight away by admitting that our economic clout would have the rest of the EU licking our boots to maintain trade via a favourable deal.

[alfie2244]

This will do for me:

“It's time to be a bigger part of the world rather than a smaller part of Europe. We believe Britain could do so much better outside of the EU”.

https://theknow.eu/en/our-campaign

[anonymous-user]

I seriously struggle to understand how anyone could genuinely believe the EU is worth keeping, let alone believe it's worth being a member of.

I am a aware of nothing, and I challenge anyone to show me anything to the contrary, that the EU has achieved that is worthwhile and couldn't have been achieved without the EU existing.

Recent years have shown again and again that, as an entity, it is inept, incapable and a huge waste of resources.

[steveT350C]

It's not just the UK, or even another European country that has 'issues'

Here is a video from the very recent UKIP conference in Doncaster..

An entrepreneur from Ghana basically saying that the EU is killing economies in Africa.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NaMOwI7DAvo

[steveT350C]

Fishing....

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6092/the_eu_...