The TV licence makes me rage.

The TV licence makes me rage.

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PabloAU

8 posts

161 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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I moved back to the UK in January this year, Like the majority of vacinated, over 21yr old "Adults" (yes I use that word advisedly) in 2015 we have choices.
Internet & streaming on the web is a wonderful thing, I can "choose what to watch", when I watch it. No I do not watch "live TV". to ensure I am baove the legal requirements here at home.

My political views aside, the "Beeb" offers nothing I need to watch, nor do any of the UK based "entertainment" providers. By choice I haven't watched the BBC in over 20yrs, I "choose" not to. Refuse to in fact.

When the standard of fair, unbiased reporting returns, by apolitical, professional journalists then possibly.
However, in the meantime I get on with life, the letters from a 3rd party contractor go in the unopened pile & then to recycling.... Simples.

Besides, should we support a publicly "outed" terrorist organisation (have a look on you tube - priceless)???

Don't you love democracy?

Sharted

2,615 posts

142 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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PabloAU said:
I moved back to the UK in January this year, Like the majority of vacinated, over 21yr old "Adults" (yes I use that word advisedly) in 2015 we have choices.
Internet & streaming on the web is a wonderful thing, I can "choose what to watch", when I watch it. No I do not watch "live TV". to ensure I am baove the legal requirements here at home.

My political views aside, the "Beeb" offers nothing I need to watch, nor do any of the UK based "entertainment" providers. By choice I haven't watched the BBC in over 20yrs, I "choose" not to. Refuse to in fact.

When the standard of fair, unbiased reporting returns, by apolitical, professional journalists then possibly.
However, in the meantime I get on with life, the letters from a 3rd party contractor go in the unopened pile & then to recycling.... Simples.

Besides, should we support a publicly "outed" terrorist organisation (have a look on you tube - priceless)???

Don't you love democracy?
It's alright, I'll bung a few coppers in the pot for you as long as I have an alternative to ITV and commercial radio.

PabloAU

8 posts

161 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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You mis-understood me - I pay to subscribe to entertainment that I watch, like & enjoy - interpret that anyway you want.... I watch my enternatinment via computer / Internet.
There is enough bias & manipulation of the press in general, BBC in particular that I choose, support & pay for - operative word here.... PAY, for other options.
Rather than throwing "Coppers in the pot" perhaps directing them to veteran chrities or homeless support groups? or any other charity of your choice?
The BBC is a commercial organisation & it is about time they operated & carried themselves as such. Its days of being a "Public service" are deader than the Archers.........

Besides a moot point as I have no television in my house, end of story......

Sharted

2,615 posts

142 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Like it or not the BBC have had a massive influence over the music that we all enjoy today.

Without them and their broadcast of innovative output the music scene in the UK might be influenced by commercial/local radio.

Imagine that?

PabloAU

8 posts

161 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Wow... you mean outside of the music industry,Internet radio (Spotify & similar) i-Tunes (& similar), Record labels, live gig's music clubs & concerts rather than the commercial "pap" served up by "Top of the Pops" et Al? I would love it...... please......

Sharted

2,615 posts

142 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Ahh fk, if you like.


MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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I don't have kids, does it bother me that my taxes pay for other people's childrens education?

No.

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
I don't have kids, does it bother me that my taxes pay for other people's childrens education?
A ridiculous comparison. Mass entertainment vs. schools? Are you going to try comparing it with our health service next?

Mr Happy

5,694 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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Apologies for both the Daily Heil link and the amount of freewibbling going on but it appears that some people are removing the "implied right of access" to their property from the TVL enforcement people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587588/7-...

Again the freewibble is strong, the article is a year old and it has probably been trashed on here before.

And just for the record, I'm not a freewibblist or a Daily Heil advocate in any way, shape or form!

davepoth

29,395 posts

198 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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PabloAU said:
Wow... you mean outside of the music industry,Internet radio (Spotify & similar) i-Tunes (& similar), Record labels, live gig's music clubs & concerts rather than the commercial "pap" served up by "Top of the Pops" et Al? I would love it...... please......
The music industry is only interested in what sells. Internet radio will only give you things similar to things you already listen to, and you won't go to gigs you haven't heard about.

The joy of BBC radio is that it doesn't have to do what's commercial. It plays things on the basis of what's good, and that means you're much more likely to hear something you didn't realise you would like.

An example. Radio 6 music has played 5094 unique tracks in the last 30 days, out of 7880 total.

Heart (Bristol, but they're all the same) has played 830 out of 7896.

There is no way that a commercial station could ever approach the level of variety that a BBC station can.

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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schmalex said:
Get over yourself. The TV licence is required to watch ANY live TV, not just the BBC.

40p a day is peanuts to pay for the quality of broadcasting that we receive in the UK. Spend a weekend in the US / Canada / Australia, watching and listening to the drivel they have to put up with there and then see if you really want to stop paying for the licence.

Honestly, for the general high quality of broadcasting we receive, the TV licence is the bargain of the century.
Why is a licence required to watch any live TV, not just the BBC? Why do we have to pay to watch TV?

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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I think people are confusing the BBC and the TV licence.

You need to have a TV licence to watch live TV regardless whether you watch the BBC or not. Where the money goes once you pay it is irelavent.

Even if people do not have a TV why are they bullied into buying a licence that they do not need? Tke threatening letters, the visits to enter the property etc?

Funk

26,254 posts

208 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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jogon said:
Agree entirely. I recently tweeted Virgin media asking if they could scramble all the BBC channels and block iplayer so I could cancel the licence fee. They said it was not currently possible unfortunately.
You don't need a tv licence for iPlayer.

To those talking about withdrawal of implied right of access - don't do it. It puts you in the radar as a Wibbleist.

I don't watch live TV and haven't had a licence for 4 years. I just have to live with the threatening letters from Crapita telling me I'm living in an unlicensed property and what I can expect in court etc.

Edited by Funk on Sunday 24th May 18:26

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Taita said:
What was the name of the prime time Saturday show where they had a movable wall with different cut out shapes.

Top quality broadcasting.
No idea, I'd have been listening to Clive Anderson's Loose Ends or The Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show.
this is the biggest problem with anti BBC sentiment

lack of understanding on what the BBC actually puts out ...

you would not get radio 4 , r4x and 6 music on commercial broadcasting

you only need to look at the flops of 'talk sport' and the way in which Classic FM is adversely compared to R3 ... the absolute radio family of stations is pretty good for commercial radio but there is no direct analogue to 6music there

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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mph1977 said:
this is the biggest problem with anti BBC sentiment
No. The biggest problem really is paying under duress for a load of crap I don't want.

This is bizarrely countered by explaining how it is the best BBC money can buy and also so very cheap, as if these mattered at all. I don't want it. Take it away and flog it to someone who does. If you can.

Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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mph1977 said:
this is the biggest problem with anti BBC sentiment

lack of understanding on what the BBC actually puts out ...

you would not get radio 4 , r4x and 6 music on commercial broadcasting

you only need to look at the flops of 'talk sport' and the way in which Classic FM is adversely compared to R3 ... the absolute radio family of stations is pretty good for commercial radio but there is no direct analogue to 6music there
Its not an anti BBC sentiment, its an anti TV licence sentiment. The fact the BBC receives the funds is irrelevant.

Why should we pay to watch TV? regardless of where the money goes?

mph1977

12,467 posts

167 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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grumbledoak said:
mph1977 said:
this is the biggest problem with anti BBC sentiment
No. The biggest problem really is paying under duress for a load of crap I don't want.

This is bizarrely countered by explaining how it is the best BBC money can buy and also so very cheap, as if these mattered at all. I don't want it. Take it away and flog it to someone who does. If you can.
as is explained ad nauseum the UK boradcasting market's standards are dragged up by the fact that commercial boroadcasters have to 'compete' with the BBC

people quietly forget the contribution to Infrastructure from the licence fee

they also forget the Reithian Principles of Educate, Inform and Entertain ...

and the fact that their revel in their ignorance instead of opening their eyes, ears and minds to the material produced by the BBC , rather than whinging about saturday tea time on BBC1 ...

the arguments against are the typical 'libertarian' sociopathic 'kipper rubbish ...


Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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mph1977 said:
as is explained ad nauseum the UK boradcasting market's standards are dragged up by the fact that commercial boroadcasters have to 'compete' with the BBC

people quietly forget the contribution to Infrastructure from the licence fee

they also forget the Reithian Principles of Educate, Inform and Entertain ...

and the fact that their revel in their ignorance instead of opening their eyes, ears and minds to the material produced by the BBC , rather than whinging about saturday tea time on BBC1 ...

the arguments against are the typical 'libertarian' sociopathic 'kipper rubbish ...

You are missing the point. Why are we charged to watch TV regardless of where the money goes.

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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mph1977 said:
as is explained ad nauseum the UK boradcasting market's standards are dragged up by the fact that commercial boroadcasters have to 'compete' with the BBC

people quietly forget the contribution to Infrastructure from the licence fee

they also forget the Reithian Principles of Educate, Inform and Entertain ...

and the fact that their revel in their ignorance instead of opening their eyes, ears and minds to the material produced by the BBC , rather than whinging about saturday tea time on BBC1 ...

the arguments against are the typical 'libertarian' sociopathic 'kipper rubbish ...
Loving the way you cannot spell, while you berate me for my 'obvious' ignorance.

Keep digging.


Cotty

39,389 posts

283 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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grumbledoak said:
Loving the way you cannot spell, while you berate me for my 'obvious' ignorance.

Keep digging.
Is mph1977 trolling?