Stopping to let people out of side road...
Discussion
Not just slowing a little to give them space but actually stopping on a NSL A road, on a bend in "rush hour" causing rapid braking and queues behind!
Surely the HWC does not condone this?
FWIW I have this nearly every morning in the car on the school run/way to work resulting in my kids thinking Dad has Tourette's!
Surely the HWC does not condone this?
FWIW I have this nearly every morning in the car on the school run/way to work resulting in my kids thinking Dad has Tourette's!
Fastdruid said:
IMO DWDCA and borderline DD.
If it's the same person every time I'd be very tempted to report them so that plod can have a word because one day you might get someone going a bit quick and it'll cause an accident.
My thoughts exactly. Imagine 10+ cars all travelling at 45-55 on a NSL heading towards a 45 degree bend with a junction on that bend. First car starts to brake (car behind assumes to slow for the bend) then brakes harder and harder until stopped to let a waiting car out of the side road. The cars behind concertina up (rightly or wrongly) resulting in cars towards the back of the queue nearly rear ending each other. Muppet at the front is oblivious to the carnage behind.If it's the same person every time I'd be very tempted to report them so that plod can have a word because one day you might get someone going a bit quick and it'll cause an accident.
Okay, you should be able to stop in the distance between you and the car ahead or in the distance you can see, but in reality few drive like that and even if you do the guy behind probably isn't.
21TonyK said:
Fastdruid said:
IMO DWDCA and borderline DD.
If it's the same person every time I'd be very tempted to report them so that plod can have a word because one day you might get someone going a bit quick and it'll cause an accident.
My thoughts exactly. Imagine 10+ cars all travelling at 45-55 on a NSL heading towards a 45 degree bend with a junction on that bend. First car starts to brake (car behind assumes to slow for the bend) then brakes harder and harder until stopped to let a waiting car out of the side road. The cars behind concertina up (rightly or wrongly) resulting in cars towards the back of the queue nearly rear ending each other. Muppet at the front is oblivious to the carnage behind.If it's the same person every time I'd be very tempted to report them so that plod can have a word because one day you might get someone going a bit quick and it'll cause an accident.
Okay, you should be able to stop in the distance between you and the car ahead or in the distance you can see, but in reality few drive like that and even if you do the guy behind probably isn't.
If it happens every morning, shouldn't you be anticipating it by now?
Seriously though, I see this occasionally and it's very bad practice. Rather than getting annoyed, make a game out of anticipating it. If you're in the line of traffic, lift off nice and early and coast in gear on a closed throttle to build up a gap in front. Try to time it so that everyone else brakes, then accelerates away whilst you don't have to brake - just take a lower gear and tag back on to the line of traffic.
Making the best out of a bad situation - a silk purse out of a sow's ear if you like.
Seriously though, I see this occasionally and it's very bad practice. Rather than getting annoyed, make a game out of anticipating it. If you're in the line of traffic, lift off nice and early and coast in gear on a closed throttle to build up a gap in front. Try to time it so that everyone else brakes, then accelerates away whilst you don't have to brake - just take a lower gear and tag back on to the line of traffic.
Making the best out of a bad situation - a silk purse out of a sow's ear if you like.
This doesn't often happen as described in my experience unless speeds are very low. Having said that, I still remember being a passenger circa 1998/9 with a fellow student who did just this. When I told her I thought what she had done was dangerous she "advised" me that where she came from in the South people were more courteous and I must just be a rude northerner (being from the Midlands and her from Sussex). I tried to explain why I thought it was dangerous and her response was that it would be someone else's fault if they went into the back of her.
During the five years I studied with her she was involved in a number of car accidents (and cycling accidents) despite doing less miles in the car and on the bike than me. I've quite happily been a rude northerner ever since :-)
During the five years I studied with her she was involved in a number of car accidents (and cycling accidents) despite doing less miles in the car and on the bike than me. I've quite happily been a rude northerner ever since :-)
Edited by DocSteve on Tuesday 2nd June 23:44
Fair enough in stationary or very slow moving traffic, otherwise, no.
Dangerous and stupid - do these t
ts stop at green lights to let the poor people stuck on red have a go?
Any time you subvert the accepted rules like this, you're asking for bother as no-one can have a proper idea what the feck your plan is.
(proud rude Notherner - well north of Watford, anyway)
Dangerous and stupid - do these t
ts stop at green lights to let the poor people stuck on red have a go?Any time you subvert the accepted rules like this, you're asking for bother as no-one can have a proper idea what the feck your plan is.
(proud rude Notherner - well north of Watford, anyway)
DocSteve said:
....she "advised" me that where she came from in the South people were more courteous and I must just be a rude northerner (being from the Midlands and her from Sussex).
During the five years I studied with her she was involved in a number of car accidents (and cycling accidents) despite doing less miles in the car and on the bike than me. I've quite happily been a rude northerner ever since :-)
Yeah, I've been "advised" that a poky terraced house is called a "charming artisan's cottage" in the South, too. During the five years I studied with her she was involved in a number of car accidents (and cycling accidents) despite doing less miles in the car and on the bike than me. I've quite happily been a rude northerner ever since :-)
I've found this as a pedestrian too. I like to think I'm alert and traffic-aware when crossing roads, but every now and then a driver with a clear gap behind will stop - usually on the upright of a T-junction - and wave me across in front. It used to irk me in the days when I walked my children to school; there was one busy road to cross and often drivers would stop dead and wave us over. Courteous, you might think, but I was trying to train my two to read traffic and look for a safe gap, and this sort of thing didn't help!
Of course, if the council had taken any notice of repeated requests for a pelican or a crossing patrol... But apparently a road isn't dangerous until people are actually injured. And that's an argument for another thread.
Of course, if the council had taken any notice of repeated requests for a pelican or a crossing patrol... But apparently a road isn't dangerous until people are actually injured. And that's an argument for another thread.
R_U_LOCAL said:
If it happens every morning, shouldn't you be anticipating it by now?
Seriously though, I see this occasionally and it's very bad practice. Rather than getting annoyed, make a game out of anticipating it. If you're in the line of traffic, lift off nice and early and coast in gear on a closed throttle to build up a gap in front. Try to time it so that everyone else brakes, then accelerates away whilst you don't have to brake - just take a lower gear and tag back on to the line of traffic.
Making the best out of a bad situation - a silk purse out of a sow's ear if you like.
That is pretty close to one of the "minors" that caused me to fail mh driving test first time around- because lifting doesn't show brake lights to person behind.Seriously though, I see this occasionally and it's very bad practice. Rather than getting annoyed, make a game out of anticipating it. If you're in the line of traffic, lift off nice and early and coast in gear on a closed throttle to build up a gap in front. Try to time it so that everyone else brakes, then accelerates away whilst you don't have to brake - just take a lower gear and tag back on to the line of traffic.
Making the best out of a bad situation - a silk purse out of a sow's ear if you like.
Another was indicating to overtake parked car when there is also a right hand turn
Dave_lotus said:
...caused me to fail my driving test...lifting doesn't show brake lights to person behind.
How long ago was this? I ask because I often encounter driving school cars on my final run-in to work. There's a long, straight NSL stretch that drops to 30 some way before a pelican and a sharpish left-hander. All very easy if I let the speed bleed off gently from 50 or so towards the end of the NSL - no braking required - but I often find the learner will reach the 30 sign at maybe 35 and stand abruptly on the brakes.Seems entirely unnecessary - and the lack of finesse could even make it dangerous if there was someone closer behind than I let myself get - but I've picked up hints from younger drivers (I took my test in 1988) that this is now standard practice and what they are taught by their instructors. Does anyone here have more concrete information?
Brian Trizers said:
I often find the learner will reach the 30 sign at maybe 35 and stand abruptly on the brakes.
What you describe with gently coasting down sounds sensible, comfortable & economical. But I think it'd be a minor in a test.I think what they're taught is to maintain progress wherever possible. That means maintaining speed up until just before the change of speed signs then using brakes (not just engine braking). They're supposed to do that smoothly though and they'll pick up at least a minor if they don't.
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