Tyre recommendation - more stability please

Tyre recommendation - more stability please

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Captain Muppet

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8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Hello,

I have a ZX7R which I love. However since it's current tyres went on it's been rather too keen to fall in to turns and tramlines badly. The tyres I have now are Pirelli Diablo Corsa III. I'd rather have something more stable, like the tyres I had before that, if I could remember what they were.

I ride all year, mostly on b-roads, and never use the last 5mm on either side of the back tyre (because I'm not a real man). I have cars for sliding around in, I want my bike to feel reassuring rather than scary.

I don't care who makes the tyres, I don't care what they cost, I just want stability. And grip, and all the other conflicting things people want when they ask this sort of open ended question on the internet because they don't have a clue.

I've tried using the manufacturers web sites as a guide, but they all claim that all of their tyre ranges provide ultimate grip without compromise which is excellent marketing but also utterly useless for customers trying to select a tyre.

So advice please.

PWE

175 posts

189 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Hi, I had a similar experience a few years ago when I used to commute.(only16mile each way)
I had a new bike rushed out to buy the latest sticky tyres out and they pretty much warmed up by the time I got to work.
I don't recall the exact name of tyre I replaced them with but it was a Continental road touring tyre !! It was night and day difference and far improved my confidence in the bike and riding in general. A large roundabout only 1 mile from my house and the tyres felt they were already at optimum temperature and worked brilliantly.
You may also find the profile of your front tyre may effect turn in etc(not sure if its different to what your used to)
Hope this helps...

Mr OCD

6,388 posts

211 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Stability comes from profile ... So you want a more rounded profile which a sport touring tyre will provide.

Although if the bike is that unstable you should be looking at your suspension and geometry.

Captain Muppet

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8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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anonymous said:
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I can't remember anything about them at all. I can't even remember who made them. I'm good at car tyres, but rubbish at bikes.

A touring tyre of some kind is probably the answer. I had a chat today with a chap who recommended Michelin Pilot Road 2s.

Captain Muppet

Original Poster:

8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Mr OCD said:
Stability comes from profile ... So you want a more rounded profile which a sport touring tyre will provide.

Although if the bike is that unstable you should be looking at your suspension and geometry.
I've had the bike ten years and the stability issue arrived with the new tyres. Its not dangerous, just confidence sapping.

My best mate can ride knee down all day and has quite a fleet of track bikes, and he loves my bike, raves about how good the front end is. It's just not suited to how I ride because I'm a bimbling nancy.

DanGPR

988 posts

171 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Can recommend Bridgestones latest sport tourer (T30/T30 EVO) and Pirrellis (Angel GT)
Great wear and dependable in all conditions. Can handle anything from 2000+ mile European road trips to the medium group at a track day.

hebegb

1,523 posts

147 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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DRC.
Were you not listening .....???????

Jazoli

9,100 posts

250 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Captain Muppet said:
I can't remember anything about them at all. I can't even remember who made them. I'm good at car tyres, but rubbish at bikes.

A touring tyre of some kind is probably the answer. I had a chat today with a chap who recommended Michelin Pilot Road 2s.
PR2's are old hat now but should be ok for going slow on, I'd just get used to the ones you have, they are a good tyre.

Captain Muppet

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8,540 posts

265 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Jazoli said:
Captain Muppet said:
I can't remember anything about them at all. I can't even remember who made them. I'm good at car tyres, but rubbish at bikes.

A touring tyre of some kind is probably the answer. I had a chat today with a chap who recommended Michelin Pilot Road 2s.
PR2's are old hat now but should be ok for going slow on, I'd just get used to the ones you have, they are a good tyre.
Get used to them? I've worn out the rear, it's new tyre time.

Jazoli

9,100 posts

250 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Captain Muppet said:
Get used to them? I've worn out the rear, it's new tyre time.
Well you never said that smile

MrB1obby

771 posts

150 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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I used to have Michelin pilot roads and I thought they were good tyres, warmed up nicely, good confidence in all weathers with half decent feedback. I've heard great things about the pilot road 3's aswell and I can only imagine they have got better.

Recently I tried a Dunlop roadsmart 2 after reading a few reviews (apparently they are slightly worse wet grip than the pr3's but much better dry grip) and was very impressed in wet grip, dry grip, stability and confidence - inspiring(ness). So I went and bought a second set last month as I cannot really see how they can be bettered! They are quite pricey but they are worth the money IMO.

supersingle

3,205 posts

219 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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I got some Pirelli Diablo Stradas for my vfr750. They're an old tyre now but they're very stable, good in the wet and work from cold. They're not a track tyre but all the better for it. Plus they only cost £130 a pair. I like them.

DuraAce

4,240 posts

160 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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I have PR4's on one bike and rosso corsa on the other. Happy with them both.

Triaguar

844 posts

213 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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I would second the Bridgestones. More than enough grip for the riding you describe and very pleasantly planted at speed and uneven twisties.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Mr OCD said:
Stability comes from profile ... So you want a more rounded profile which a sport touring tyre will provide.
yes

I'd say Michelin as I prefer them to other makes I've tried but I doubt anyone would outride any modern touring tyre when bimbling.

Mr Pew

174 posts

128 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Metzeler M7rr

http://www.metzeler.com/site/com/products/tyres-ca...

Done nearly 400 miles on mine since they were fitted a week ago and totally confident on them.

supersingle

3,205 posts

219 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Some of these tyre recommendations are dual compound tyres. I don't know about anyone else but I find they take on odd profiles as they wear.

Single compound tyres wear more predictably without any weird steps on the profile.

3DP

9,917 posts

234 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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I had a ZX7R for many years which I eventually restored too. With the quality of that front end, I wouldn't be looking at tyres as the root cause of your issue.

Assuming head bearings, swing arm bearings and wheel bearings are fine, check someone hasn't been at the ride height adjuster. 6mm of thread showing is the most you want. I wound mine to nearly 10mm initially as I like it to drop in and it was a nightmare. 6mm at the shock equates to a lot more at the rear wheel. As standard with the ride height adjuster on zero mm thread showing they are relatively slow steering.

If you want stable sports tyres though, I'd look a the Michelin Pilot Power 3. It has a near sports touring profile and tends to be very stable on the bikes I've run it on.

If on a budget, the Maxxi Supermaxx tyres are not bad - look great and are a stable profile too.

dean100yz

4,289 posts

184 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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My bike came with Rosso 2 as standard

They warmed quick, gave plenty of traction for normal riding and seemed quite hard wearing

I only took them off after 2500 miles for supercorsa as I do track days and ride quite keen at times

StuB

6,695 posts

239 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Have you tried a Piaggio 3 wheeler thing?