NCB Query

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velocefica

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4,645 posts

108 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Not for me but for a not very internet savvy elderly relative. He has quite a number of years NCB until he was hit by a lady speeding over a red light in early 2014 who admitted liability

His insurance is up for renewal next week and due to the treatment at the hands of his last insurer he is adamant he will be switching. That and the fact his quote is nearly double the previous years (who said a no fault accident didn't push up premiums). Basically he wants to know if his no claims is still intact from before his no fault accident.

He could obviously phone his current insurer but for some reason doesn't want them knowing he won;t be renewing with them.

So does a no fault accident affect your NCB?

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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velocefica said:
Not for me but for a not very internet savvy elderly relative. He has quite a number of years NCB until he was hit by a lady speeding over a red light in early 2014 who admitted liability

His insurance is up for renewal next week and due to the treatment at the hands of his last insurer he is adamant he will be switching. That and the fact his quote is nearly double the previous years (who said a no fault accident didn't push up premiums). Basically he wants to know if his no claims is still intact from before his no fault accident.

He could obviously phone his current insurer but for some reason doesn't want them knowing he won;t be renewing with them.

So does a no fault accident affect your NCB?
Assuming the claim is settled, no it doesn't. But that shouldn't be at issue - the NCB applied will be written down quite clearly on the proposal that his current insurer has provided.

dacouch

1,172 posts

129 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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If they look on the "Renewal Notice" from their current Insurer, this will state how much no claims bonus they're current Insurer is allowing.

This document also serves as proof of your no claims bonus for your new insurer

BertBert

19,035 posts

211 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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davepoth said:
Assuming the claim is settled, no it doesn't. But that shouldn't be at issue - the NCB applied will be written down quite clearly on the proposal that his current insurer has provided.
Why do you say that? A no claims bonus is a bonus for making no claims. Regardless of fault or non-fault if you make a claim (from your own insurer) your NCB is at risk depending on your policy and whether it's protected or not. The norm is that a non-protected NCB will be reduced for a claim. A protected bonus is, er protected (normally up to a certain number of claims in a certain period.

Kateg28

1,353 posts

163 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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BertBert said:
davepoth said:
Assuming the claim is settled, no it doesn't. But that shouldn't be at issue - the NCB applied will be written down quite clearly on the proposal that his current insurer has provided.
Why do you say that? A no claims bonus is a bonus for making no claims. Regardless of fault or non-fault if you make a claim (from your own insurer) your NCB is at risk depending on your policy and whether it's protected or not. The norm is that a non-protected NCB will be reduced for a claim. A protected bonus is, er protected (normally up to a certain number of claims in a certain period.
Not necessarily. My OH had a non fault crash and the car was written off and we received a full settlement from our own insurer. We then recovered our excess from the Third Party Insurer and supplied this to our own insurer and this meant we retained our No Claims Discount.

The premium did go up but we replaced the old car with a substantially more powerful and more expensive car so it would anyway. We did stay with the same Insurer as their claims service was excellent.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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BertBert said:
Why do you say that? A no claims bonus is a bonus for making no claims. Regardless of fault or non-fault if you make a claim (from your own insurer) your NCB is at risk depending on your policy and whether it's protected or not. The norm is that a non-protected NCB will be reduced for a claim. A protected bonus is, er protected (normally up to a certain number of claims in a certain period.
Nope that's wrong, or excessively pedantic.

NCD is specifically linked to fault or non fault claims, it has little to do with "making no claims" in reality. If you have a non-fault claim then your NCD may be reduced in the short term whilst your insurer awaits full recovery of their outlay from the other insurer, or they may simply choose to waive it and keep your bonus fully intact if the other side admits liability straight away.

Protected NCD is there to ensure you retain your level of NCD in the event of a number of fault accidents over a period of time.

CallorFold

832 posts

133 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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I was hit in a non-fault accident (rear-ended at traffic lights) and I didn't lose my NCB.

My NCB was not protected, and no years were taken off. The accident wasn't my fault and the other party admitted liability. Therefore my NCB was intact, the claim excess was covered by the 3rd Party. I do still have to declare a non-fault accident on my policy though.

BertBert

19,035 posts

211 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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LoonR1 said:
Nope that's wrong, or excessively pedantic.

NCD is specifically linked to fault or non fault claims, it has little to do with "making no claims" in reality. If you have a non-fault claim then your NCD may be reduced in the short term whilst your insurer awaits full recovery of their outlay from the other insurer, or they may simply choose to waive it and keep your bonus fully intact if the other side admits liability straight away.

Protected NCD is there to ensure you retain your level of NCD in the event of a number of fault accidents over a period of time.
Let's just go for wrong shall we?

Specifically, in Admiral's case...
2. Claims that don’t affect your Bonus
- claims which aren’t your fault where we have recovered all of our money

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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BertBert said:
LoonR1 said:
Nope that's wrong, or excessively pedantic.

NCD is specifically linked to fault or non fault claims, it has little to do with "making no claims" in reality. If you have a non-fault claim then your NCD may be reduced in the short term whilst your insurer awaits full recovery of their outlay from the other insurer, or they may simply choose to waive it and keep your bonus fully intact if the other side admits liability straight away.

Protected NCD is there to ensure you retain your level of NCD in the event of a number of fault accidents over a period of time.
Let's just go for wrong shall we?

Specifically, in Admiral's case...
2. Claims that don’t affect your Bonus
- claims which aren’t your fault where we have recovered all of our money
Are you agreeing with me? eek

velocefica

Original Poster:

4,645 posts

108 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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CallorFold said:
I was hit in a non-fault accident (rear-ended at traffic lights) and I didn't lose my NCB.

My NCB was not protected, and no years were taken off. The accident wasn't my fault and the other party admitted liability. Therefore my NCB was intact, the claim excess was covered by the 3rd Party. I do still have to declare a non-fault accident on my policy though.
This is exactly what happened to this gentleman so hoping it's the same outcome