2008 Volvo V70 T6

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PomBstard

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Friday 5th June 2015
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I thought I'd put this one up as I think its a reasonably uncommon car in the UK, and there don't seem to be too many of this spec around anywhere. Trying to find info on these was a bit tricky.

Bought to accommodate a growing family of three small kids, and to replace a beloved Gen4 Liberty GT Wagon. Those are big shoes. Came very close to getting an XC90, but just couldn't reconcile the need for seven seats, though the 4.4 V8 was v tempting. Not yet - I think that's a purchase on hold. I do like wagons, though, so this was the compromise.

Engine is 3.0-litre turbo I6, mounted transverse. 2008 model means 285bhp, which sounds great until you realise the car weighs 1900kg and comes with an auto box. Discretely swift is probably the apt description - 0-100kmh is a smidge over 7 secs. It all adds up to being a comfy cruiser, which is a big change from the Lib which was a hoot cross country and a very capable tourer. Its also a shame that its not in the same mould as the previous generation V70R - that would be fun!

What both V70 and Lib have in common are a low-key appearance and an appetite for 98RON unleaded. The Lib would drop to 20mpg readily but return around 35mpg on a gentle cruise. The V70 is probably averaging around 20mpg at the moment, and I would expect around 28'ish on a run. I suspect 15mpg is but a toe-wiggle away.

The other item for the Volvo to live up to is quality. The Lib never felt less than solid, even at 10 years old, with not a rattle or loose feeling anywhere. Our 2007 Forester is the same. This is my first foray into Swedish metal, and first non-Japanese car for 10 years, so a 7 year old turbo model seems just the thing to break that cycle...

Its got a couple of jobs that need sorting, the first being a squeaky tailgate which I think is the trim around the inside of the hatch. The second is a small oil leak, which having spoken to the mechanic who looked after it for the previous owner, is a leaking vacuum pump and will cost around $300 to put right. With the price I paid for the car, I can live with that.

Generally the spec misses out on just the bluetooth phone and the sunroof, neither of which bother me.

And that price? Well, lets call it below market rate over here, and leaves a fighting fund of around $4000 in case something does go pop. Service history is all there, last serviced 5000km ago, with new rear brake discs/pads only 1000km ago. Rego is due in 2 months, so I'll get more checked then, but everything works OK at the moment.

Only got this pic, and I'll add a few more when I get chance.


junglie

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217 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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This is an interesting read that appears to mirror what has been written about the T6 in the past.

I would consider one of these as the next family bus but now put off slightly due to the internal issues and relative lack of performance.

PomBstard

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Friday 5th June 2015
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I put it on my list, then took it off because of what I read. Then I bought one. Its behind the pace dynamically, but works for me on VFM, and family-friendly features. The double rear booster seats are ace, and the kids love them. The front is comfy and well appointed, and whilst its no ball of fire, its no slouch either once up and running. And it is discrete, which I do like.

If I only had two kids, I wouldn't be looking at this. In fact, if I only had two kids, I'd have got an M3 to go with the Forester already on the drive. So, very much a head rather than heart purchase, but one that so far I'm not too disappointed about. I expect to keep it for about 2-3 years.

Full thread of my musings about getting first the Lib, then this, is here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

S10GTA

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167 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Great car. I find these and the XC70 version very interesting as my next car, but the high tax bracket really puts me off.

Edited by S10GTA on Friday 5th June 12:06

PomBstard

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Sunday 7th June 2015
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If you've got three kids, they're definitely worth a look. The main problem is the car's weight, which should be 2-300kg lower. At 1600-1700kg With a more-responsive auto, or even a half-decent manual, it would be a proper successor to the last V70R. It is in any case a little left-field, and that always makes stuff worth a look. It is starting to grow on me.

Anyway, first purchase now coming up. Dozy bint in a Golf thought her car needed the space of a bus to make a turn, so she cut across the front of the Volvo, forcing me up a kerb. Have sliced the sidewall of the NSR tyre - no puncture, but needs replacing. 245/40R18 will be about AU$300 a corner. All tyres down to about 4mm, so probably needed doing in about 6 month's time, but would be nice to have been able to wait. Rim might need attention too. Arse.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 9th June 2015
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285bhp always seemed incredibly conservative from a modern design 3 litre twin turbocharged 6 to me and it's the same with the 4.4 V8 - 315bhp is pretty weak considering a contemporary BMW 4.4 could manage about 380bhp.

I suspect that maybe the tight engine bay caused cooling issues and the st AW automatic gearboxes would be rapidly turned into swarf if Volvo actually used the engines potential.

With the weight of the 4x4 system and relatively small power hike I wonder if a FWD 3.2 would be a nice compromise. I think they managed about 240bhp in the S80.

PomBstard

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Wednesday 10th June 2015
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Agree with previous post - specific output is a bit poor in this day and age, but hopefully it leads to lower stress on components. It does feck all for the fuel consumption, which is around 18mpg for its usual urban workout. Not tried it on a run yet.

One of the things I definitely like about this car is its subtle looks - combined in this case with a dark grey/blue metallic. Some might call it bland or anonymous, but if the power/weight ratio could be improved, it would be a fantastic Q car. Anyway, here's a few pics I've managed to take today...












Dash is clear and simple, heater/AC and heated seats awesome, storage space a bit crap, sound system pretty good, parking sensors needed but bloody annoying to have on all the time - so they get turned off. Which defeats the object.




New tyres on the rear - fronts still have >6mm left - after the kerbing a couple of days ago. A few bash marks visible on the rim. Have gone for a pair of Dunlop Sportmaxx to replace the Hankooks that were there before. VFM and availability guided this - have heard they can be a little short-lived but we'll see - they'll get swapped to the front at the next service.




So, whilst my posts so far might seem negative, the car is growing on me. I don't yet feel like I want to just go out for a drive, which is something I used to do regularly in the Lib, but at the same time, I'm happy to be driving it.

GreatGranny

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226 months

Wednesday 10th June 2015
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Nice cars.

Volvos definitely get under your skin.

I've had a 240, V70 S1, XC90 and now have an S40 for my commute.

The V8 XC90 will make your car seem very cheap to run.
I hear they struggle to reach mid teens in any conditions.

PomBstard

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Friday 19th June 2015
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Its been raining here, quite heavily, for the last day or so; a perfect opportunity to give the AWD system a workout, thinks I!

And my conclusion is that it works pretty well. A few full-throttle standing starts, uphill, on tarmac awash with rain and leaves has confirmed the AWD system is intact - a little squirm as one of the front tyres hit some leaves was all the evidence of the fronts being driven, which was nice. The body roll, slow steering and evident mass through corners means that I don't yet have a huge amount of confidence to flick the car around, but there's plenty of grip and whilst it lacks the preferred rear-weighted balance of the Lib, it nevertheless feels like it'll get round the corner fine.

I'm still learning the auto box, but have found this one works best when held in a gear to make progress. The spread of torque is such the third is going to get you most places on most roads, no matter how tight. Second makes it quicker, but the shifts are slow and I've never discovered any tactile pleasure to changing gear with an auto - its just a switch.

So, cornering grip coupled with torquey petrol engine means surprisingly rapid cross-country pace in the wet, albeit one that needs concentration.

Fuel consumption has settled at around 18-20mpg for the urban assault, with around 25 possible on the longer bits. I've got a trip to Canberra coming up in a few weeks, which is about 650km return, and freeway for about 600 of that, so that should tell me the best I can expect.

Now, does anyone know why big Volvos have such a crap turning circle? Parking has become a new art, where the Lib would just be flicked into place, the V70 feels like it needs to be berthed. I haven't tried putting it into our garage yet as even the Forester can be a bit tricky to get out and then onto the road in one go - I'm looking at a bit of shuffling for this one.

Two other good points discovered this week - front lights on main beam seem to provide daylight and the heated front seats - even in a place where summer can be 40C, heated leather seats have their place!

PowerslideSWE

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138 months

Friday 19th June 2015
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I really like that car, and for me it might as well be in the thread about cars you didn't know existed. biggrin Swedish car, never sold new in Sweden. Unknown to a swedish petrolhead, I must be getting old.

The straight six was however installed in some Volvos on the home front, but not the V70.

PomBstard

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Saturday 20th June 2015
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PowerslideSWE said:
I really like that car, and for me it might as well be in the thread about cars you didn't know existed. biggrin Swedish car, never sold new in Sweden. Unknown to a swedish petrolhead, I must be getting old.

The straight six was however installed in some Volvos on the home front, but not the V70.
From what I can gather, Vovlo did a bit of mix'n'match for the V and XC. In Aus we got the V70 in fully-loaded, T6 AWD spec only - I think this was to do with import duty regs. The XC70 came as D5 and 3.2 until about 2012'ish when it seems the V70 was dropped and the XC got the T6.

In the US it was the other way around - XC70T6 (and D5) and V70 3.2 - though I think the XC70 now has the 3.2 option too.

No surprise the bigger petrol engines were limited or non-existent in the UK - just not the market. Bit surprised that Sweden missed out on some of the combos though - looks like they were all available in LHD and RHD at some point.

csd19

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117 months

Sunday 21st June 2015
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kapiteinlangzaam said:
PomBstard said:
Now, does anyone know why big Volvos have such a crap turning circle? Parking has become a new art, where the Lib would just be flicked into place, the V70 feels like it needs to be berthed. I haven't tried putting it into our garage yet as even the Forester can be a bit tricky to get out and then onto the road in one go - I'm looking at a bit of shuffling for this one.
Any Volvo (big or small, save perhaps the '90) with the 5 or 6 cyl in-line engines have a crappy turning circle.

Long, transversely mounted engines in FWD or AWD applications = not much room for the wheels smile
Previous V70 was even worse from experience smile

PomBstard

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Thursday 9th July 2015
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I’ve spent quite a bit of time with the Big Volvo over the past few weeks, and have time to muse on a few things - all is not well in PB's World of Sweden. This being my first Volvo, in 26 years of owning cars, I wasn’t really sure what to expect but whenever a Volvo is mentioned on PH its usually regarding one of four things – safety, the seats, the vast boot, and the general unburstability of the car as a whole – so lets go with those.

Safety – not had to use it yet, but the parking sensors are a bit sharp which leads to them being turned off. Sense of solidity throughout, and witnessed by the kerb weight of just over 1900kg. Can’t deny that in the back of the mind there’s a sense of “it must be good – it’s a Volvo”.

The seats are, well, OK. I have to admit to being a bit underwhelmed. They lack any form of side bolster, and being broad and leather, I find myself slipping around at the first sign of an enthusiastic corner. Once on a cruise, things are better, but after about an hour or so, I start trying to find a different position – its not discomfort, but I just want to shift. A fellow Subaru owner joined me for a motorway trip and also said the he thought Volvo seats were supposed to be great but wasn’t sure what the fuss was about. Maybe Sube seats are good too… However, I am a fan of the heating – it still gets cold here, and that warm butt feeling is rather pleasant.

The vast boot is, well, just that. A good shape and big enough for the dual-sus mtb to go in with both wheels on and without even lowering the saddle – impressive.



The general unburstability – it’s a bit early for my views, but this is a 2007 built 2008 model and has a couple of rattles which I can’t quite get sorted. Compared to the 2007 Forester it shares the drive with, which is tight and rattle free, and the 2005 Liberty it replaced, which was also rattle free, and I’m not yet sold. Its going in for the annual rego check next week, and there’s oil seeping out somewhere, looks like a vacuum seal around the gearbox, and the box is having its fluid changed too. I’ve asked for a general run down of things that’ll need doing and I’ll expect a couple of items on any 7-8 year-old car.

I can live some rattles, and seats that aren’t quite as good as perhaps the internet says, but it’s the driving experience that still leaves me miffed. Its just so…so…unmemorable and uninvolving. The other thread on the yellow 850R wagon just goes to show what Volvo used to do, and what is lacking in this car. I’ve already gone through most of this earlier in the thread, and I’ll repeat – it’s a bloody shame.

I really struggle to think of why this particular model exists, and can completely understand why it doesn’t exist in the UK – though I think there might be a couple over there. Its not particularly fast, its thirsty, handling is so-so, grip is good, comfort and ride is OK, space in the front is great but in the rear is a bit tight for the legs, the dash is nice to look at and use but lacks storage space, boot is huge.

So why the hell have I got it, and why am I not selling it?? Well, it’s the practicality of it that seems to be doing the trick. The kids love the rear seats, the boot space is important, and its not a bad place to be for a long trip. I think a lot of the negative feeling towards it comes from me not being a wafter – I can forgive a car most things if its got some sense of enjoyment in return, but I get nothing from wafting and that seems to be the V70’s forte.

There’s a real sense that I’ve bought the wrong car for me, but it’s the car that I need to have, at least until the kids are out of booster seats. If you just want to move from A to B, perhaps carrying something large, and have as little to do with driving as possible on the way, then this car will not disappoint.

Right, so that's enough whinging about its shortcomings, I think I need to get it out for a caning more often to get used to it.

S10GTA

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167 months

Thursday 9th July 2015
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Interesting write up. I quite fancy an XC70 T6 once they come down in price. Maybe I'll need to reconsider.

PomBstard

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Thursday 9th July 2015
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S10GTA said:
Interesting write up. I quite fancy an XC70 T6 once they come down in price. Maybe I'll need to reconsider.
Have a go in one, and see what you think for yourself. I do understand why people might want one, but unless you've got three kids, or must have a Volvo, at the moment I struggle to think of a reason why you would buy this over other cars.

I really do think its a missed opportunity - Volvo could have put the 4.4 V8 in the nose for the Wafters and then sourced a decent 2.0-2.5 litre turbo with 6-sp manual for those of us that want the space tied to a bit of fun, perhaps leaving out a bit of weight in the process. Both would have been more interesting than the 3.0T with a slow auto.

Forgot to mention fuel consumption. Round town its in the 15-20mpg range, though the m-way cruise saw it closer to 30. That's not hugely worse than the Lib, which was 22'ish around town and 35 on a cruise.

cosworth330

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237 months

Thursday 9th July 2015
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Had a good read,nice write up.

We have had 3 Volvos on the trot since 2001. Had an 850 R estate , then in 2005 bought a 2003 model V70 R 300bhp manual that was great fun. Ran that from 20k miles to 80k miles with no issues. Changed to a 2009 V70 D5 R design auto in 2010 and still got it now on 72000 miles. Seats are great and it does 35-40 mpg , sat nav,heated seats. I can jump in that car and do a few hundred miles and feel completely refreshed the other end. I also have a V10 M5 for thrashing which makes up for the sluggish D5 !

We test drove a brand new XC60 D4 R design 8 speed auto last week and wasn't impressed, the ride was far too stiff and bumpy for an everyday car, the V70 felt much more comfy.

Good luck with the V70,looks great.

PomBstard

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Friday 17th July 2015
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PomBstard said:
Right, so that's enough whinging about its shortcomings, I think I need to get it out for a caning more often to get used to it.
I've taken this as the starting point for each drive over the past week or so, and I'm more appreciative of the pace the Volvo can develop and carry. It takes effort as its not a natural thing to do - the auto box being the main culprit - but changing gear with the lever keeps the concentration and helps ward off wafting-induced sleepiness.

I'm tempted to see if I can do something about the front seats - some lateral support really is needed to have any cornering fun. There is a reasonable amount of grip and holding gears allows the mid-range to hoist the car along at a decent pace but only if the driver can wedge themselves against the central console and the door bin.

Have just had the annual rego check, which was incident free. Vacuum pump seals changed which was definitely the source of the oil leak, and autobox had its fluid changed. Trans fluid was definitely grubby but not apparently not too bad for 7 years and 126,000kms. $600 for the work might not be the cheapest but half of that was parts/materials and the engine bay has been degreased. And I didn't have to do it.

Next problem to sort is a constantly smearing windscreen. Just cannot clean it - white spirit, vinegar, meths - all with liberal applications of elbow grease. Bar Keepers Friend is next on the recommended list.

PomBstard

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Friday 24th July 2015
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PomBstard said:
Next problem to sort is a constantly smearing windscreen. Just cannot clean it - white spirit, vinegar, meths - all with liberal applications of elbow grease. Bar Keepers Friend is next on the recommended list.
It seems that the reason I can't clear the smearing is because there's nothing there to actually clear. The 'smearing' effect is being caused be the enormous amount of scratches. It seems the old wipers had picked up something and simply wiped the windscreen with it - its like someone has swapped the rubber blades for some 240 grit and given it a couple of sweeps. Took it to a repair place to confirm that's what I was seeing, and its now booked in for a new screen on Monday. $460. Arse.

PomBstard

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Monday 3rd August 2015
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Well, the windscreen change didn't happen. Apparently I've got a rain-sensing jobbie and the guy bought out a non rain-sensing jobbie and the two are not interchangeable. My fault for not getting the spec right, but I didn't know it had this feature. Anyway, tried it - doesn't work, just like the time I had it on a Bora years ago. IMO, one of those pointless uses of technology. Will try again to get the screen changed sometime soon.

Regardless, the car finally got used in the manner in which its purchase intended - full up, three kids, two adults and a st-load of stuff for a family trip to....Canberra! Oh, yes - the thrills of our nation's capital were upon us. To be fair, there's a reasonable amount there to browse and enjoy for kids and adults, but without being able to take the MTB, I was a bit shackled. The boot's bigger than the Lib's but we still filled it up.

The 320km cruise in each direction was fairly uneventful. As we left the Freeway Services about halfway, the message came up that the key fob battery was low. This is a good thing to know, but what would have made it better was some indication of how long was left. A quick detour to a watch/battery/shoe repair place in Goulburn sorted that for $20 - though I'm pretty sure this was the first Volvo fob the guy had ever seen. Lots of Fords, Holdens and Japanese cars outside the major centres, not many Swedes...

The next day there was a warning message that the headlights weren't working properly. They were on, pointing straight, and stayed on when we moved, so I deemed it a non-problem. I think its to do with the swivelling mechanism, which as the lights are still pointing straight brings me back to my original thought. I'll live with it.

Maneuvering around the hotel carpark highlighted the crap turning circle combined with limited visibility at the corners. Result was two kerbed rims on the low concrete kerbs so beloved of car park designers over here. Can't see the feckers and keep forgetting how much room I need to swing this car. Wouldn't be a problem if the rims/profile were a little higher.

No other problems in a total of 850km, but it does need a really good clean inside and out. Fuel consumption on the freeway was around 30mpg and for the total trip was 27mpg. That's well within the realms of acceptable in my book. And a road speed-related rumble suggests one of the wheel bearings is on its way out – sounds like NSR, but will need to check on a ramp.

Proving harder to live with are the famed comfortable seats. I'm not sure its the seats' fault, but more that I just cannot seem to get a driving position that feels comfortable for longer than about an hour. To me, the seating position seems a little off-line with the steering wheel/pedals - its not much but means just a little twist - and I think the culprit is the left foot rest. It feels like its in the position where the clutch would be, and should therefore be a little more the the left, but the tunnel's in the way. Anyone else notice this with auto V70s??

It'll be ferrying me to an MTB race in the early hours of Saturday morning, so I'll be making use of the rear space and the heated seats! Might even be fun to punt along some of the country roads on the way...

PomBstard

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Thursday 13th August 2015
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And it was indeed a reasonable bit of fun to punt along - roads were empty at 0500, except for others heading to the race. Need to make use of holding the gears as the box ain't the sharpest, and the sense of bulk never leaves, but there is a sense of making swift progress. Not so happy on the tighter roads closer to the start of the race, or the return booting it got through Galston Gorge - its just too big and wobbly for that. I'm also not Volvo-shaped so the seats don't encourage too much hard cornering.

Also need more welly than first thought to dispatch overtakes - that bulk takes all the available horses to shift, and the usual torquey wafting encouraged by the gearbox needs a sharp kick into touch.

Finally got round to fixing the creaking from the tailgate - a couple of squirts of lithium grease into the latch. Unbelievably simple fix to a really loud annoyance.

Need to clean it now - a week away with the family, followed by a trip to a marathon mtb race means its looking a little, well, filthy...