Will Lotus F1 survive?

Will Lotus F1 survive?

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Chrisgr31

13,465 posts

255 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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Whats happening at Lotus? Are the cars still impounded at Spa? There's very little information this site http://www.crash.net/f1/news/222304/1/lotus-urges-... and http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31721.html suggest the cars were impounded but not that they have been released.

There was a tweet by markpalexander which asked why FOM would impound Lotus team trucks and cars.

So what is happening?

Vaud

50,419 posts

155 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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Apparently the cars were released today.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12473/9966577/lot...

The Hypno-Toad

12,277 posts

205 months

Wednesday 26th August 2015
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Expect Colin Kolles to be appointed as an "advisor" shortly....

StevieBee

12,859 posts

255 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Chrisgr31 said:
Why would Renault buy Lotus with all their apparent debts when other teams are available? Especially with the complication over Lotus's engine deal with Mercedes?

Do the Lotus debts help the current owner in that they can be offset against profits made elsewhere?
Because they would probably get it at a loss less than they would if the books were in a more healthy state. It's entirely possible (not knowing how much the debts are) that they could end up buying the team for £1.00 - but of course taking responsibility for paying the outstanding debts.

They've owned the team before; twice (IIRC) so many of the people there will know the Renault way.

On your last question...quite possibly. This is what the Glazier lot have done with Manchester United. The difference there is that they have the cash-flow to cover the debt payments so from a business point of view, makes sense. That isn't the case at Lotus so I rather think the owners want rid ASAP.

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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The Hypno-Toad said:
Expect Colin Kolles to be appointed as an "advisor" shortly....
God forbid...

petop

2,136 posts

166 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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Shame really. I went for a tour of the Factory in 2012. All very impressive, the week after one of their podiums finishes and the trophy (cant remember which race but could look at photos) in the cabinet in the reception.
Some of it underground in a Bond baddie sort of scenario. Noticed they did a hell of a lot of work for Boeing who were supplying them software etc for aerodynamic work. Was nice to see a load of Benneton cars in the meeting area. How times quickly change.

Vaud

50,419 posts

155 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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They'll be fine providing Renault buy them. Certainty will attract designers and engineers. Bonus is it isn't a slow car, at least it is scoring points.

Europa1

10,923 posts

188 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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petop said:
Shame really. I went for a tour of the Factory in 2012. All very impressive, the week after one of their podiums finishes and the trophy (cant remember which race but could look at photos) in the cabinet in the reception.
Some of it underground in a Bond baddie sort of scenario. Noticed they did a hell of a lot of work for Boeing who were supplying them software etc for aerodynamic work. Was nice to see a load of Benneton cars in the meeting area. How times quickly change.
I was lucky enough to do the same one race day, and they had a car, jacks, airguns and wheels set up to try pitstops. It's bloody difficult with the car already stationary; can't imagine what it must be like with the car bearing down on you at speed with toasty warm brakes. The underground bit was a strange mixture of tellytubby-land on the outside and Bond-baddie lair on the inside!

Would be a shame to see the Lotus name disappear from F1 again, but if a Renault buyout secures the future of the team, then I'm in favour.

thegreenhell

15,280 posts

219 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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Renault buyout is imminent, according to Autosport.

"Renault is poised to return as a works team to Formula 1, with a deal to take a majority stake in Lotus due to be finalised next week, AUTOSPORT understands."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120532

llewop

3,588 posts

211 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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thegreenhell said:
Renault buyout is imminent, according to Autosport.

"Renault is poised to return as a works team to Formula 1, with a deal to take a majority stake in Lotus due to be finalised next week, AUTOSPORT understands."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120532
And, only in the crazy world of F1; Renault would continue to supply their current teams..... Whilst running a Merc engine in the back of their own car!

.... According to that article.

Vaud

50,419 posts

155 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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llewop said:
And, only in the crazy world of F1; Renault would continue to supply their current teams..... Whilst running a Merc engine in the back of their own car!

.... According to that article.
Well no point in changing mid season - or if design is too advanced for '16...

MartG

20,666 posts

204 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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Hmmm

Renault Renault & Renault Red Bull

Renault Mercedes & Renault Red Bull

or

Renault Renault & Red Bull Mercedes

confused

llewop

3,588 posts

211 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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Vaud said:
Well no point in changing mid season - or if design is too advanced for '16...
more likely: penalty clauses in contracts to dump teams/engine before term....

and Brawn demonstrated if the chassis is sound and the lump in the back good - cut&shut can work!

ajprice

27,449 posts

196 months

Saturday 29th August 2015
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So it looks like there will be a Renault team now, with Lotus or maybe FI, according to that. Will the car colours be whatever sponsor they get on board, black and yellow Renault colours, or blue and orange Alpine? (Alpine is my preference)



MartG

20,666 posts

204 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Doubts that they'll actually run at Monza, as it is being reported the cars lack some critical parts which are being witheld by unpaid suppliers

suffolk009

5,373 posts

165 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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MartG said:
Doubts that they'll actually run at Monza, as it is being reported the cars lack some critical parts which are being witheld by unpaid suppliers
Blimey. Where did you see that?

Some Gump

12,687 posts

186 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Would failure to run be in breach of Maldo's PDVSA "get to drive every session every race" contract?

If it was,m would they be able to mitigate it "well he broke the bloody thing"?

Also, in other news I saw this on another thread somewhere, it amused me:

MartG

20,666 posts

204 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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suffolk009 said:
MartG said:
Doubts that they'll actually run at Monza, as it is being reported the cars lack some critical parts which are being witheld by unpaid suppliers
Blimey. Where did you see that?
http://www.f1today.net/en/news/204609/lotus-missing-key-components-to-race-in-italy

Vaud

50,419 posts

155 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Bernie will pay.

Needs a full grid and to maximise the value of Lotus.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

174 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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quite incredible that a team that was fighting for wins and possibly even a WDC only 3 years back is now practically bankrupt. Really goes to show the sport is too expensive or the team has exceptionally st management.