9 Points on license & now caught by speed camera, what ban?

9 Points on license & now caught by speed camera, what ban?

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gadgetmac

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14,984 posts

107 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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20 years I've driven past a particular camera (4 times a week) and always gone through it correctly but this time I apparently didn't. I find it hard to believe with this camera because its just up the road from me is almost part of my psyche so I'll be asking some questions but what should they be?

Calibration certificate?

Any more?

That aside, if I did go through a 50 limit at 69 and with 9 points garnered already what is the likely outcome, cash and ban, please?

Thanks for your help.

MF


giantdefy

684 posts

112 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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3 more points a a 6 month totting ban assuming the other 9 are within 3 years (offence dates not conviction dates). Exceptional Hardship, to others, may get you out from the ban but you will still get points/fine.

gadgetmac

Original Poster:

14,984 posts

107 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Sadly all of the other 9 points are within 3 years (2013). When you get a ban do the points get reset to zero?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Yes for totting up purposes, but they stay on your licence I think.

agtlaw

6,680 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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giantdefy said:
3 more points a a 6 month totting ban assuming the other 9 are within 3 years (offence dates not conviction dates). Exceptional Hardship, to others, may get you out from the ban but you will still get points/fine.
Mitigating circumstances, which might include "exceptional hardship" to the offender or others.

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Were all the points for the same thing - speeding ?

If for various things then judges tend to let that slide more than for doing the same thing time after time because they consider that a driver is simply not learning by their errors

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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What is this thing you call license?

rolleyes


gadgetmac

Original Poster:

14,984 posts

107 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Yeah, sadly the other points are for speeding frown

So, is a 6 month ban the general consensus? I was kinda hoping for 3 months max.

Seems a tad harsh for a first ban in 30 years with no accidents involved in any of the 2 previous transgressions etc...

What will the financial penalty likely be, anyone know?

GT03ROB

13,205 posts

220 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
Seems a tad harsh for a first ban in 30 years with no accidents involved in any of the 2 previous transgressions etc...
Though probably not for 4 speeding convictions in 2 years.....

R0G

4,984 posts

154 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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As all are for speeding then you really need to consider getting some help unless you deliberately make a choice to speed in which case you already know the solution

agtlaw

6,680 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
Yeah, sadly the other points are for speeding frown

So, is a 6 month ban the general consensus? I was kinda hoping for 3 months max.

Seems a tad harsh for a first ban in 30 years with no accidents involved in any of the 2 previous transgressions etc...

What will the financial penalty likely be, anyone know?
The standard PH answer is "a hefty fine" and another contributor will invariably say something like, "I got a £200 fine in 1989". The reality is somewhat different. You could argue for a fine equivalent to a fixed penalty, otherwise expect a "Band B" fine - roughly 100% of your net weekly income less one-third for an early guilty plea, subject to a maximum of £2500 on a motorway or £1000 otherwise.

gadgetmac

Original Poster:

14,984 posts

107 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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I'm not defending my actions by any stretch. If I did the crime then I'll do the time, no problem.

I've 2 previous convictions amounting to 9 points. Both were camera based, 1 on dual carriageway and 1 on Mway. Prior to that the only other conviction I ever got was some 27 years ago when I'd just passed my test.

My comment about it being perhaps a little harsh is in relation to a chap in work who tore round a corner on a country road and collided with a stationary car putting 2 people in hospital and only got a 3 month ban.

btcc123

1,243 posts

146 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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gadgetmac said:
Yeah, sadly the other points are for speeding frown

So, is a 6 month ban the general consensus? I was kinda hoping for 3 months max.

Seems a tad harsh for a first ban in 30 years with no accidents involved in any of the 2 previous transgressions etc...

What will the financial penalty likely be, anyone know?
So for the last 20 years you have passed a speed camera four times a week so you clearly know it is there yet this time you went trough it not a little bit over the speed limit but a lot at 69 in a 50.

To be on a potential 12 points in a couple of years you dont seam to have learnt any lessons.

I suspect you will get a 3 month ban and £1000 fine but in cases similar to yours where a person disregards the speeding laws I would make the ban 6 months and a maximum fine which I believe is £2500.Or possibly give you 12 points but not ban you so you will have the knowledge of one slip up and you will get a ban ,oh and a £5000 fine.


gadgetmac

Original Poster:

14,984 posts

107 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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btcc123 said:
So for the last 20 years you have passed a speed camera four times a week so you clearly know it is there yet this time you went trough it not a little bit over the speed limit but a lot at 69 in a 50.
yes See my first post, I'm struggling to understand that myself. I almost don't believe it unlike the previouse 2 events which I hold my hand up to.

btcc123 said:
I suspect you will get a 3 month ban and £1000 fine
Seems balanced.

btcc123 said:
but in cases similar to yours where a person disregards the speeding laws I would make the ban 6 months and a maximum fine which I believe is £2500.Or possibly give you 12 points but not ban you so you will have the knowledge of one slip up and you will get a ban ,oh and a £5000 fine.
Actually I'm only after peoples opinions on my ACTUAL possible fate thank you not what THEY would punish me with or I'm sure this thread will quickly fill up with "string him up" posts frown

giantdefy

684 posts

112 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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btcc123 said:
I suspect you will get a 3 month ban and £1000 fine but in cases similar to yours where a person disregards the speeding laws I would make the ban 6 months and a maximum fine which I believe is £2500.Or possibly give you 12 points but not ban you so you will have the knowledge of one slip up and you will get a ban ,oh and a £5000 fine.
Magistrates are required to give points if the giving of them will result in a totting ban. So a 3 month ban is not on the cards but 3 points and a 6 month totting ban very much is unless you can provide a convincing hardship argument. This needs to show hardship to others as the hardship of not having a licence is expected from the ban.

DuraAce

4,240 posts

159 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Normal punishment would be six month ban and a nice fine, related to your income.

If you have mitigating circumstances then you may not get a ban at all. Engage the services of a legal professional if your job/house etc rely on you being able to drive.

I did this and got away with a big fine for being caught well over 100mph when I was a young idiot.

popeyewhite

19,618 posts

119 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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R0G said:
As all are for speeding then you really need to consider getting some help ...
Like what? Counselling? A helium filled left boot? What?


agtlaw

6,680 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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giantdefy said:
This needs to show hardship to others.
Wrong.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

170 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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simple answer - agtlaw's answer will be closest to the truth of how it will pan out, and Loon's to how it will affect your insurance.

gadgetmac

Original Poster:

14,984 posts

107 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Thank you everyone for your help and insight into this self-inflicted predicament.

Cheers.