Do you need anything more than a 320d?
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My wife has a 320D XDrive.
Frankly, it's astonishing. It's plenty quick enough (pretty much the same rolling performance as my 630i), plenty quiet enough, incredibly frugal (she averages ~45mpg day to day and we easily get it to over 50 on a run), got plenty of toys on it, has the incredible 8 speed ZF autobox, is reasonable to drive with the stiffer M Sport suspension and gets about just fine in the snow.
Frankly, it's astonishing. It's plenty quick enough (pretty much the same rolling performance as my 630i), plenty quiet enough, incredibly frugal (she averages ~45mpg day to day and we easily get it to over 50 on a run), got plenty of toys on it, has the incredible 8 speed ZF autobox, is reasonable to drive with the stiffer M Sport suspension and gets about just fine in the snow.
9mm said:
Mr2Mike said:
RobM77 said:
I don't want to speak for Chris, but it's probably a case of the headline sacrificing clarity for brevity, because he clearly says that in the video. In my opinion, driving is too diverse an interest to have one car that does everything. If you need to tow or carry stuff/people around, then you need a four seater saloon car, and I've never driven such a car that I would call capable and rewarding on track. Vice versa, I've never driven a good track car that will carry out the daily duties.
Very few people ever take a car on a track, I suspect even on here it will be a small fraction of the membership.I don't buy the "throttle lag" thing as an excuse to buy a diesel. The drive by wire throttle in the petrol may well have some small amount of lag, but diesels are also drive by wire and also have a turbo so lag on them is also inevitable. If you want the economy of the diesel, just say so rather than making feeble excuses.
ORD said:
Remind me, Rob, why diesel cars don't have DBW throttle lag. I notice the lag in petrol cars but it seems to me to be even worse in diesels (perhaps because they are in general a bit less responsive and the lags all merge into one).
Cos it doesn't lag when you keep the Rev's up, rob says.Mike22233 said:
ORD said:
Remind me, Rob, why diesel cars don't have DBW throttle lag. I notice the lag in petrol cars but it seems to me to be even worse in diesels (perhaps because they are in general a bit less responsive and the lags all merge into one).
Cos it doesn't lag when you keep the Rev's up, rob says.It's the same as his early posts in this thread where he claimed Chris and him have the same opinion on the 320d. And yet if you watch Chris's video to the end he says the 320d doesn't work on a fun twisty road. Chris also implied you need the automatic.
Mike22233 said:
ORD said:
Remind me, Rob, why diesel cars don't have DBW throttle lag. I notice the lag in petrol cars but it seems to me to be even worse in diesels (perhaps because they are in general a bit less responsive and the lags all merge into one).
Cos it doesn't lag when you keep the Rev's up, rob says.alock said:
Mike22233 said:
ORD said:
Remind me, Rob, why diesel cars don't have DBW throttle lag. I notice the lag in petrol cars but it seems to me to be even worse in diesels (perhaps because they are in general a bit less responsive and the lags all merge into one).
Cos it doesn't lag when you keep the Rev's up, rob says.
I've had enough of the idiots on this thread - believe what you want to believe!
RobM77 said:
alock said:
Mike22233 said:
ORD said:
Remind me, Rob, why diesel cars don't have DBW throttle lag. I notice the lag in petrol cars but it seems to me to be even worse in diesels (perhaps because they are in general a bit less responsive and the lags all merge into one).
Cos it doesn't lag when you keep the Rev's up, rob says.I've had enough of the idiots on this thread - believe what you want to believe!
Its all relative, who cares. blah blah blah.
I don't need anymore more than something that can get me from A to B. Need is a subjective thing, and want is something else.
No one wants to be needed, but they do want to be wanted. That's how it is with car's for me. I don't need a car, I want a car, and that car has to have a big engine and a decent glob of power.
I could live with something like a 535d, but in truth I'd always want an M5, so I'd feel disappointed. I'm in between cars having just sold my MPS as it felt like a tool and not something more special. So I'll be going back to an M5. I don't need one, truth be told it's not ideal for my daily commute, but I want one, so therefore as far as I am concerned, Do I need anything more than a 320d? Yes, I need an M5.
I don't need anymore more than something that can get me from A to B. Need is a subjective thing, and want is something else.
No one wants to be needed, but they do want to be wanted. That's how it is with car's for me. I don't need a car, I want a car, and that car has to have a big engine and a decent glob of power.
I could live with something like a 535d, but in truth I'd always want an M5, so I'd feel disappointed. I'm in between cars having just sold my MPS as it felt like a tool and not something more special. So I'll be going back to an M5. I don't need one, truth be told it's not ideal for my daily commute, but I want one, so therefore as far as I am concerned, Do I need anything more than a 320d? Yes, I need an M5.
I had a f30 318d sport for the day last week, I drove it in comparison to my F10 M5 and there is nothing wrong with the car, on 18" wheels and passive sport suspension it rode and handled well, weighs 1410kg which for a modern 5 seat 4 door saloon is remarkable and it felt nimble.
It was quiet, comfortable and efficient, happy days.
It was quiet, comfortable and efficient, happy days.
I had another think, that's three whole minutes this week. I've answered this by a simple experiment. Sold my 130i, which did have a delay, not much, but some and have been driving an auto commuter car. I am climbing the walls, it's been a matter of weeks, I need another car, actually three;
1. A pickup type thing to take stuff to the dump, Carry bikes etc
2. A lightweight fun car
3. A bruising middleweight.
Therefore M3, Caterham and Amarok.
That's all the cars I ever need
1. A pickup type thing to take stuff to the dump, Carry bikes etc
2. A lightweight fun car
3. A bruising middleweight.
Therefore M3, Caterham and Amarok.
That's all the cars I ever need
Wills2 said:
I had a f30 318d sport for the day last week, I drove it in comparison to my F10 M5 and there is nothing wrong with the car, on 18" wheels and passive sport suspension it rode and handled well, weighs 1410kg which for a modern 5 seat 4 door saloon is remarkable and it felt nimble.
It was quiet, comfortable and efficient, happy days.
Quiet...really? were you wearing ear muffs when you were driving it! It was quiet, comfortable and efficient, happy days.
yonex said:
1. A pickup type thing to take stuff to the dump, Carry bikes etc
2. A lightweight fun car
3. A bruising middleweight.
Therefore M3, Caterham and Amarok.
That's all the cars I ever need
Excellent. I agree, perfect line up - I have the poverty version at the moment : M135i, Yaris 1.0 (!!!) and Qashcow.2. A lightweight fun car
3. A bruising middleweight.
Therefore M3, Caterham and Amarok.
That's all the cars I ever need
I dont need something more, but i want; therefore i have. Its all relative to cost.
I spent 8 months driving a hateful 1.4 tdci mk6 fiesta. Cheap, but not comfy - although leaving it in tesco and not giving a crap what happens to it is a nice feeling.
I love big engined cars. I just love the feel of a big juicy motor winding up and wafting you along, they also tend to be comfier, and less stressed (more reliable in my head!)
I LPG'd an S8.
/win
I spent 8 months driving a hateful 1.4 tdci mk6 fiesta. Cheap, but not comfy - although leaving it in tesco and not giving a crap what happens to it is a nice feeling.
I love big engined cars. I just love the feel of a big juicy motor winding up and wafting you along, they also tend to be comfier, and less stressed (more reliable in my head!)
I LPG'd an S8.
/win
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