Uncle speeding but doesn't live in UK
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Mr Trophy said:
Afternoon
As per the above, Uncle has been caught speeding but doesn't live in the UK or have UK licence. He's said fair enough it was me and his details given.
Just wondering what the next steps are if anyone else has been in this situation?
Thanks,
Sure he was!As per the above, Uncle has been caught speeding but doesn't live in the UK or have UK licence. He's said fair enough it was me and his details given.
Just wondering what the next steps are if anyone else has been in this situation?
Thanks,
You go to prison for Peverting the course of justice?
Am I doing this right?
If the OP named a foreign driver on the S.172 request, it is likely that the police will check the legality of the named driver to drive that vehicle in the UK... I do hope the driver was insured (hint: his "driving other cars" cover on his domestic policy almost certainly won't be valid), for example.
If the foreign driver wasn't insured, for example, then the OP will be charge with what used to be "aiding and abetting driving without insurance" (I think it is "cause or permit" nowadays) - which carries the same penalty as the principle offence.
If the foreign driver wasn't insured, for example, then the OP will be charge with what used to be "aiding and abetting driving without insurance" (I think it is "cause or permit" nowadays) - which carries the same penalty as the principle offence.
Retroman said:
Just guessing wildly here.
Was it your car he was driving and you received a NIP then filled in the details nominating him as the driver?
Yup!Was it your car he was driving and you received a NIP then filled in the details nominating him as the driver?
aw51 121565 said:
If the OP named a foreign driver on the S.172 request, it is likely that the police will check the legality of the named driver to drive that vehicle in the UK... I do hope the driver was insured (hint: his "driving other cars" cover on his domestic policy almost certainly won't be valid), for example.
If the foreign driver wasn't insured, for example, then the OP will be charge with what used to be "aiding and abetting driving without insurance" (I think it is "cause or permit" nowadays) - which carries the same penalty as the principle offence.
Went through all the right channels, he was insured and driving over here on his HK licence.If the foreign driver wasn't insured, for example, then the OP will be charge with what used to be "aiding and abetting driving without insurance" (I think it is "cause or permit" nowadays) - which carries the same penalty as the principle offence.
He would normally be summons to appear before a Magistrates' Court. However the decision to proceed will be be based on a variety of factors that the CPS will have to weigh up; public interest, cost, likelihood of him turning up, etc. Basically it's in the the hands of the CPS.
Kent Police stop a high proportion of foreign vehicles, and the piss-takers are usually arrested, and put before a magistrate the next day. BiB from Kent/Surrey may like to elaborate.
Kent Police stop a high proportion of foreign vehicles, and the piss-takers are usually arrested, and put before a magistrate the next day. BiB from Kent/Surrey may like to elaborate.
Mr Trophy said:
Went through all the right channels, he was insured and driving over here on his HK licence.
Did he just tell you he was insured, or did you confirm it for yourself?Regardless of the legality once you name a foreign person you can expect your case to get that bit of extra attention, so you best be certain that he was insured as you're likely to be asked.
assuming the insurance is sound then he'll hear no more about it.
i was caught speeding a few years back in a hire car. i have a uae licence but as i still use my parents' address as my uk banking address the NIP was sent there. initially my dad sent it back unsigned [scottish force, that trick still flew] so the force called the house. after an explanation of the facts i heard no more about it.
i believe if caught by trafpol its a different story but cameras don't matter.
i was caught speeding a few years back in a hire car. i have a uae licence but as i still use my parents' address as my uk banking address the NIP was sent there. initially my dad sent it back unsigned [scottish force, that trick still flew] so the force called the house. after an explanation of the facts i heard no more about it.
i believe if caught by trafpol its a different story but cameras don't matter.
martinbiz said:
Not for speeding they won't be.
It's about time we introduced a law to give the Police powers to apply on the spot fines to foreign drivers as most of Europe do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/4948038/Foreign-drivers-to-face-900-on-the-spot-fines.htmlIt's about time we introduced a law to give the Police powers to apply on the spot fines to foreign drivers as most of Europe do.
This happened to me: it was my father driving who lives in France. I gave the police the relevant details - they sent a letter basically saying "are you telling the truth?" I confirmed that I was, and that was the end of it. I didn't have to supply evidence of any sort, and they certainly didn't ask about insurance.
giantdefy said:
Not quite the same thing that was introduced as a deposit system which can be appealed against and has been shown to be not widely implemented or a viable way of doing itA simple fixed penalty to avoid prosecution, but payable on the spot. Job done, away you go.
Just like in France.
Are you required by law to maintain evidence of someone being insured? If someone's living abroad are they legally required to help foreign police with their enquiries?
This insurance aspect sounds dubious to me, although I wouldn't be surprised if the speeding ticket scammers would go to some lengths to get their stinking hundred quid. Are there any first hand accounts of them pursuing the insurance angle or is it yet more bar room BS?
This insurance aspect sounds dubious to me, although I wouldn't be surprised if the speeding ticket scammers would go to some lengths to get their stinking hundred quid. Are there any first hand accounts of them pursuing the insurance angle or is it yet more bar room BS?
supermono said:
Are you required by law to maintain evidence of someone being insured? If someone's living abroad are they legally required to help foreign police with their enquiries?
This insurance aspect sounds dubious to me, although I wouldn't be surprised if the speeding ticket scammers would go to some lengths to get their stinking hundred quid. Are there any first hand accounts of them pursuing the insurance angle or is it yet more bar room BS?
If you name a foreign driver and the authorities are happy with that nomination they can still pursue a causing or permitting to drive uninsured against the keeper/owner, it would then be the keeper / owner's responsibility to prove that the person was insured to drive their vehicle.This insurance aspect sounds dubious to me, although I wouldn't be surprised if the speeding ticket scammers would go to some lengths to get their stinking hundred quid. Are there any first hand accounts of them pursuing the insurance angle or is it yet more bar room BS?
Naming a foreign driver even if true will always result in closer attention being given, numerous case on Pepipoo
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