Another Tunisian Attack - Sousse
Discussion
dirk01 said:
Mr_B said:
dirk01 said:
Its not religion, Its any group where the people in the group believe that their views should take precedence over others, or only they know the truth, or are intolerant of others
Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot
Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.
The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.
Do you really think you can just write off Hitler and the whole Nazi movement and just say no religion there, just by mentioning him ? Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot
Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.
The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.
As for Winston's allegation that my post was just highly opionated, I offer a challenge:
Lets skip Hitler, because there were religious elements to Hitler and the Nazis even if they were not themselves representing a recognised religion. So just taking the latter 3, demonstrate that religious persecution or conflict has caused more than the deaths directly caused by those atheistic nutters:
Stalin: Over 600,000 were shot by the NKVD alone I am excluding deathes from famine etc)
Mao: A widely accepted minimum figure of murders is 400,000 (though over 30,000,000 in total) dies as a result of his policies
Pol Pot: A generally accepted figure seems to be 1,500,000
So. Over the entire history of mankind, your challenge (if you choose to accept it) is to find religious persecution that has killed more than 2,500,000 people. Please note that I am excluding slavery as that was not religious but commercial
I'll give you a start. Since 9/11 I believe 20, 022 people have been killed by islamic terrorists. Just another 2,497,978 to find
Or if you don't accept the challenge, perhaps you would like to back down?
dirk01 said:
Mr_B said:
dirk01 said:
Its not religion, Its any group where the people in the group believe that their views should take precedence over others, or only they know the truth, or are intolerant of others
Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot
Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.
The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.
Do you really think you can just write off Hitler and the whole Nazi movement and just say no religion there, just by mentioning him ? Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot
Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.
The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.
As for Winston's allegation that my post was just highly opionated, I offer a challenge:
Lets skip Hitler, because there were religious elements to Hitler and the Nazis even if they were not themselves representing a recognised religion. So just taking the latter 3, demonstrate that religious persecution or conflict has caused more than the deaths directly caused by those atheistic nutters:
Stalin: Over 600,000 were shot by the NKVD alone I am excluding deathes from famine etc)
Mao: A widely accepted minimum figure of murders is 400,000 (though over 30,000,000 in total) dies as a result of his policies
Pol Pot: A generally accepted figure seems to be 1,500,000
So. Over the entire history of mankind, your challenge (if you choose to accept it) is to find religious persecution that has killed more than 2,500,000 people. Please note that I am excluding slavery as that was not religious but commercial
I'll give you a start. Since 9/11 I believe 20, 022 people have been killed by islamic terrorists. Just another 2,497,978 to find
Or if you don't accept the challenge, perhaps you would like to back down?
The thirty year war, probably ten million deaths or roughly a third of Germany wiped out.
Religion, that's all religion, is a crock of s
t. We need to move on from the dark ages...WinstonWolf said:
Religion, that's all religion, is a crock of st. We need to move on from the dark ages...
Its this "faith" stuff mate whats it all about I just don't get it. Tell someone you have seen a UFO and your some kind of nut say you believe in a mystical figure who may or may not have existed and you have "faith". t. We need to move on from the dark ages...johnxjsc1985 said:
WinstonWolf said:
Religion, that's all religion, is a crock of st. We need to move on from the dark ages...
Its this "faith" stuff mate whats it all about I just don't get it. Tell someone you have seen a UFO and your some kind of nut say you believe in a mystical figure who may or may not have existed and you have "faith". t. We need to move on from the dark ages...& many on here have been saying for yonks that the Muslim community needs to get involved.
Well The PM has talked about this & so has Sir Ian Blair. Will those in the "community" now keep their eyes wide open and ears tuned for any negative sounds, and shop if ncessary?
On Newsnight last night - 1st 10 minutes or so
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b061bj8g/news...
WinstonWolf said:
dirk01 said:
Mr_B said:
dirk01 said:
Its not religion, Its any group where the people in the group believe that their views should take precedence over others, or only they know the truth, or are intolerant of others
Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot
Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.
The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.
Do you really think you can just write off Hitler and the whole Nazi movement and just say no religion there, just by mentioning him ? Hitler,
Stalin-
Mao
Pol Pot
Not much in the way of religion there.
I think you will find that those alone were responsible for more deaths than all the deaths caused by religion throughout the whole of human history.
The same seeds of evil can be found in groups across the globe at the moment- Some extreme US sects, UK extreme right-wingers; UK extreme left-wingers, muslim extremists and many others.
As for Winston's allegation that my post was just highly opionated, I offer a challenge:
Lets skip Hitler, because there were religious elements to Hitler and the Nazis even if they were not themselves representing a recognised religion. So just taking the latter 3, demonstrate that religious persecution or conflict has caused more than the deaths directly caused by those atheistic nutters:
Stalin: Over 600,000 were shot by the NKVD alone I am excluding deathes from famine etc)
Mao: A widely accepted minimum figure of murders is 400,000 (though over 30,000,000 in total) dies as a result of his policies
Pol Pot: A generally accepted figure seems to be 1,500,000
So. Over the entire history of mankind, your challenge (if you choose to accept it) is to find religious persecution that has killed more than 2,500,000 people. Please note that I am excluding slavery as that was not religious but commercial
I'll give you a start. Since 9/11 I believe 20, 022 people have been killed by islamic terrorists. Just another 2,497,978 to find
Or if you don't accept the challenge, perhaps you would like to back down?
The thirty year war, probably ten million deaths or roughly a third of Germany wiped out.
Religion, that's all religion, is a crock of s
t. We need to move on from the dark ages...anonymous said:
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Ah yes, you're one of those religious types. You obviously won't like the fact that religion is responsible for millions of deaths, but the facts are right there before you.Are you're *actually* saying the millions of deaths don't count because they're from the wrong time period? God is still alive today according to you, I'm afraid each and every one of his children killed in his name counts.
We are going to have a chat in Parliament to see if we should bomb IS in Syria but not until Labour have a new leader. Wow we really have leaders who do not lead.why not let IS know where and when we plan to bomb them so they can make sure they are some where else at that time. Or even better just don't bother
johnxjsc1985 said:
We are going to have a chat in Parliament to see if we should bomb IS in Syria but not until Labour have a new leader. Wow we really have leaders who do not lead.why not let IS know where and when we plan to bomb them so they can make sure they are some where else at that time. Or even better just don't bother
Wtf has it got to do with the labour?Cameron your bobby big b
ks if you think we should be bombing IS in syria get on and arrange it.egor110 said:
Wtf has it got to do with the labour?
Cameron your bobby big bks if you think we should be bombing IS in syria get on and arrange it.
Ok name me one politician with big bCameron your bobby big b
ks if you think we should be bombing IS in syria get on and arrange it.ks?.We have to have the "will of parliament" and because Harriet Harmong is exactly that Cameron the leader of men thinks he needs to wait. It playing the game in the true spirit dont you think.
What a complete waste of space these people are.
anonymous said:
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Let me explain the point to you again.Dirk suggests that we find many other reasons to persecute and to fight, offering relatively recent examples of genocide that don't involve much, if any, religious basis. The instances mentioned are of figures who had no religion in the traditional sense, or had motivations other than religious ones. You'd suggest that by leaving religion behind they have evolved, so why are these people responsible for the intentional killing of millions of non-combatant civilians, the vast bulk of the non-combat killings in the twentieth century?
But don't let that get in the way of your 'all religion is evil' fixation.
We need now to support Tunisia as they will suffer financially.just seen BP shelling out £12 billion now much will it ocst to support Tunisia.
It is clear that many people from Tunisia tried very hard to defend and help their guests we need to reward that and let them see we are with them now.
It is clear that many people from Tunisia tried very hard to defend and help their guests we need to reward that and let them see we are with them now.
WinstonWolf said:
Ah yes, you're one of those religious types. You obviously won't like the fact that religion is responsible for millions of deaths, but the facts are right there before you.
Are you're *actually* saying the millions of deaths don't count because they're from the wrong time period? God is still alive today according to you, I'm afraid each and every one of his children killed in his name counts.
For clarity (thought I know it wasn't aimd at me), I am not one of those religious types. But going back to the numbers, I was talking about direct murders rather than warfare.Are you're *actually* saying the millions of deaths don't count because they're from the wrong time period? God is still alive today according to you, I'm afraid each and every one of his children killed in his name counts.
So WWI, WWI, China civil war. None with any religious cause. That comes to over 100,000,000 just from those. So you have a long way to go. Even if one accepts the suggest that Timur was motivated to religion. Whereas in reality he was just a straight warlord who tried to use religion to legitimise activities. Just in fact as some in NI did, and some in the middle east are now.
But in any case, there were millions of people directly murdered (not as part of a war) for reasons that had nothing to do with religion. So why blame religion when it is belief that your "group" is special and intolerance for others that is the real cause of harm
And it still goes on.
Was Dylan Roof motivated by his religious beliefs when he killed the black churchgoers in Carolina recently?
Timothy McVeigh when he killed 168 in Oklahoma?
According to Aljazeera, 80% of Muslims support ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
https://twitter.com/SaifRRahman/status/61685923601...
https://twitter.com/SaifRRahman/status/61685923601...
RobGT81 said:
According to Aljazeera, 80% of Muslims support ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
https://twitter.com/SaifRRahman/status/61685923601...
To be fair, it's 80% of the people who responded to the poll who support ISIS. However if that's truly representative, welcome to WW3 folks. https://twitter.com/SaifRRahman/status/61685923601...
anonymous said:
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It's not really a fixation, I just find the concept of millions of people being killed to please god somewhat repugnant.If god was omnipotent he could wipe out a continent in a flash, he wouldn't need followers to do it for him.
Let's be honest, with my opinions on religion shouldn't a god have smited me by now?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaan...
Very worrying that the local security police aren't actually turning up for duty.
Very worrying that the local security police aren't actually turning up for duty.
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