30K Chim!!!!!!!!
Discussion
How about this ad then...
'98 Chimaera 500, full service history, black leather, mint condition, excellent chassis, serious brake & suspension upgrades, 50k miles, last 18k miles on totally rebuilt V8D short engine (H beam rods forged pistons, cross bolted) running after market ECU, ACT triple etc, etc, over 360bhp at the fly and 353 lbs/ft, (documented), 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and sounds like God throwing a wobbly
Quicker than a 911tt and a Gallardo. Asking a mere £24K, the grin factor alone is worth £5k of that
This was on ebay and car&classics a few weeks back but disappeared...
Easily worth 24K in my unbiased opinion
'98 Chimaera 500, full service history, black leather, mint condition, excellent chassis, serious brake & suspension upgrades, 50k miles, last 18k miles on totally rebuilt V8D short engine (H beam rods forged pistons, cross bolted) running after market ECU, ACT triple etc, etc, over 360bhp at the fly and 353 lbs/ft, (documented), 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and sounds like God throwing a wobbly
Quicker than a 911tt and a Gallardo. Asking a mere £24K, the grin factor alone is worth £5k of that
This was on ebay and car&classics a few weeks back but disappeared...
Easily worth 24K in my unbiased opinion
It's 30k, is it worth that?
Not sure.
Take a look on PH, that's where the gurus hang out.
Did you buy it?
Nah, guys on there thought it was worth two rolls of sheep s
t and chassis was probably shagged. Looked on another bit of that PH thing though and the guys with them odd straight 6 cars were saying their values were on the up.
Come on guys, do yourselves a favour
Not sure.
Take a look on PH, that's where the gurus hang out.
Did you buy it?
Nah, guys on there thought it was worth two rolls of sheep s
t and chassis was probably shagged. Looked on another bit of that PH thing though and the guys with them odd straight 6 cars were saying their values were on the up. Come on guys, do yourselves a favour
TVRMs said:
It's 30k, is it worth that?
Not sure.
Take a look on PH, that's where the gurus hang out.
Did you buy it?
Nah, guys on there thought it was worth two rolls of sheep st and chassis was probably shagged. Looked on another bit of that PH thing though and the guys with them odd straight 6 cars were saying their values were on the up.
Come on guys, do yourselves a favour
Had to read this twice, however, totally agree with your sentiments... Not sure.
Take a look on PH, that's where the gurus hang out.
Did you buy it?
Nah, guys on there thought it was worth two rolls of sheep s
t and chassis was probably shagged. Looked on another bit of that PH thing though and the guys with them odd straight 6 cars were saying their values were on the up. Come on guys, do yourselves a favour
ChilliWhizz said:
TVRMs said:
It's 30k, is it worth that?
Not sure.
Take a look on PH, that's where the gurus hang out.
Did you buy it?
Nah, guys on there thought it was worth two rolls of sheep st and chassis was probably shagged. Looked on another bit of that PH thing though and the guys with them odd straight 6 cars were saying their values were on the up.
Come on guys, do yourselves a favour
Had to read this twice, however, totally agree with your sentiments... Not sure.
Take a look on PH, that's where the gurus hang out.
Did you buy it?
Nah, guys on there thought it was worth two rolls of sheep s
t and chassis was probably shagged. Looked on another bit of that PH thing though and the guys with them odd straight 6 cars were saying their values were on the up. Come on guys, do yourselves a favour
...meanwhile in the world of Porsche , that ok condition '96 100,000 mile 993 auto Cab is a bargain at +£30k, get in now 'cos this time next year they'll be £35k plus.
Ok, the 30 grand Chim looks ambitious at the moment but it just highlights how underprced these car's are - the sub £20k minter Chims out there, inc the ones with sympathetic modifications are absolute bargains in real terms- the only reason they dont get snapped up (yet) is the 7995 cars make them look expensive to the uninitiated.
I agree with John-TVRMs and Chilli Whizz , stop talking the price of these great cars down . they deserve better than that !
Edited by RetroWheels on Saturday 27th June 23:08
May I begin by thanking MATTGTD for bringing my car to the attention of others on the forum and adding to my publicity. As a purveyor of general and specialist cars my knowledge and experience has broad width, but often depth of knowledge on a specific model or car can be limited. It is therefore heartening to be educated by those who know so much better – I’m sure many of you can appreciate that in addition to forums like these, I also see many nasally voiced specialists in my warehouse as and when I have something special to sell.
If I can return the favour by passing on my own responses to a couple of comments:
MATTGTD You have fixated on the paint colour of the doors on my car. I can assure you that this car has even and immaculate original paint on every mm of the body. However, the Chimaera body has front wings offset quite substantially from the door fronts, and bowed rear quarters which means that the light reflects in different ways from the three panels. In certain colours, red and silver especially, this can lead to an apparent distortion in colour. Fortunately, those who know these cars will be aware of their shape and therefore allow for that.
You also commented that the car is not ‘low mileage’. I would disagree. It has long been held that the average mileage in the UK for a car is 12,000. However, a Motor Insurance organisation recently published adjusted figures for different types of car. Coupes, convertibles and roadsters came out at 11,600 miles per year average. This car has covered less than 3,000 per annum – around 25% of average, so YES, it is a very low mileage car. In addition, the brand new engine has covered just a shade over 10,000 miles.
Finally, you described this car as “…just a 98 500 with a bit of a bland interior…” Whilst I respect your expertise and wisdom, this is clearly not the case, as with the exception of the body, chassis and interior there is barely a bolt or a washer which is original.
SIMONWEDGE You misquoted me as saying I would “…confidentially estimate…” actually, I said confidently. Quite a different meaning.
A few other very relevant comments were made. The reference to 400 bhp was quoted by the owner of the vehicle from whom I obtained the car, a very regular customer and prolific collector of classic and exotic cars. He has actually had the car on a RR in Yorkshire (for which I have the receipt) and has a print-out showing 400+ bhp. Unfortunately he has not yet laid his hands on the print out, so I am not prepared to quote it. The figure of 370 lb/ft was quoted as a conservative estimate by V8D.
So, finally let me deal with value. This car is not a Chim 500. It has a completely new purpose built engine and ancillaries which I will not detail ad infinitum, suffice to say that the engine is not a back street bore out. It has been done properly and spec’d by the then owner, a very experienced TVR specialist. In addition to the cross bolted engine it has a proper braking system, with high spec discs, pad, ancillaries, hoses etc., a proper racing clutch and ancillaries, a full redesigned suspension set up, prop, rear axle and LSD and so much more. Add to that a service history which is simply second to none, and a provable history of proper dry storage and this car is special…
I would estimate the cost of carrying out the same conversion today as being not shy of £20,000, that’s after you buy the car.
However, value isn’t always calculated by what one spends, I know this as much as anyone.
I calculate the value of cars I sell by what the market has set. Unfortunately, there is no comparison for this car on the market today, or indeed recently. I have therefore set the price at the top end of what I think it will achieve, with an option to submit best offers. The car will find its mark, of that I am sure, and I am confident that the final sale figure will be in excess of £25,000. MATTGTD You commented that if you were spending £30,000 today it probably wouldn’t be on a TVR. But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
TVR cars have suffered their unpopularity due to manufacturing shortcuts and reliability issues, but they are now beginning to fall into another category – classic cars. Mint condition, well maintained British sports cars will always fetch top dollar, and the market is as strong now as it has ever been.
I recently saw a Ford Sierra Cosworth, not a 500, which was absolutely original but untouched for 12 years, reach £45,000 in auction.
So…I agree with those of you wise enough to understand the power of market forces. I am not a private TVR owner, I am just the temporary keeper of this car whilst it is between owners, but if I was an owner I would not be devaluing the brand, but instead recognising it as a fast appreciating and increasingly rare British asset.
Oh, and PHAZED, if you want me to sell yours on your behalf, I can guarantee you a substantial return on your £11,000 investment.
If I can return the favour by passing on my own responses to a couple of comments:
MATTGTD You have fixated on the paint colour of the doors on my car. I can assure you that this car has even and immaculate original paint on every mm of the body. However, the Chimaera body has front wings offset quite substantially from the door fronts, and bowed rear quarters which means that the light reflects in different ways from the three panels. In certain colours, red and silver especially, this can lead to an apparent distortion in colour. Fortunately, those who know these cars will be aware of their shape and therefore allow for that.
You also commented that the car is not ‘low mileage’. I would disagree. It has long been held that the average mileage in the UK for a car is 12,000. However, a Motor Insurance organisation recently published adjusted figures for different types of car. Coupes, convertibles and roadsters came out at 11,600 miles per year average. This car has covered less than 3,000 per annum – around 25% of average, so YES, it is a very low mileage car. In addition, the brand new engine has covered just a shade over 10,000 miles.
Finally, you described this car as “…just a 98 500 with a bit of a bland interior…” Whilst I respect your expertise and wisdom, this is clearly not the case, as with the exception of the body, chassis and interior there is barely a bolt or a washer which is original.
SIMONWEDGE You misquoted me as saying I would “…confidentially estimate…” actually, I said confidently. Quite a different meaning.
A few other very relevant comments were made. The reference to 400 bhp was quoted by the owner of the vehicle from whom I obtained the car, a very regular customer and prolific collector of classic and exotic cars. He has actually had the car on a RR in Yorkshire (for which I have the receipt) and has a print-out showing 400+ bhp. Unfortunately he has not yet laid his hands on the print out, so I am not prepared to quote it. The figure of 370 lb/ft was quoted as a conservative estimate by V8D.
So, finally let me deal with value. This car is not a Chim 500. It has a completely new purpose built engine and ancillaries which I will not detail ad infinitum, suffice to say that the engine is not a back street bore out. It has been done properly and spec’d by the then owner, a very experienced TVR specialist. In addition to the cross bolted engine it has a proper braking system, with high spec discs, pad, ancillaries, hoses etc., a proper racing clutch and ancillaries, a full redesigned suspension set up, prop, rear axle and LSD and so much more. Add to that a service history which is simply second to none, and a provable history of proper dry storage and this car is special…
I would estimate the cost of carrying out the same conversion today as being not shy of £20,000, that’s after you buy the car.
However, value isn’t always calculated by what one spends, I know this as much as anyone.
I calculate the value of cars I sell by what the market has set. Unfortunately, there is no comparison for this car on the market today, or indeed recently. I have therefore set the price at the top end of what I think it will achieve, with an option to submit best offers. The car will find its mark, of that I am sure, and I am confident that the final sale figure will be in excess of £25,000. MATTGTD You commented that if you were spending £30,000 today it probably wouldn’t be on a TVR. But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
TVR cars have suffered their unpopularity due to manufacturing shortcuts and reliability issues, but they are now beginning to fall into another category – classic cars. Mint condition, well maintained British sports cars will always fetch top dollar, and the market is as strong now as it has ever been.
I recently saw a Ford Sierra Cosworth, not a 500, which was absolutely original but untouched for 12 years, reach £45,000 in auction.
So…I agree with those of you wise enough to understand the power of market forces. I am not a private TVR owner, I am just the temporary keeper of this car whilst it is between owners, but if I was an owner I would not be devaluing the brand, but instead recognising it as a fast appreciating and increasingly rare British asset.
Oh, and PHAZED, if you want me to sell yours on your behalf, I can guarantee you a substantial return on your £11,000 investment.
wow.... can of worms opened....
As one of (many on here) that have spent a lot on their pride and joy, we would all love to think that the value would be returned in a sale, but the facts don't stand up and in fact 'bespoke' cars seem to have a 'risk' factor attached to them, I have seen too many Turbo/SC cars go for silly money when they each probably had £10k+ spent on them alone on the upgrade. A uprated 5.0 engine is still suspect - we all have those we trust/don't on engine rebuilds - but still they don't come with long term guarantees.
I applaud you for attempting to get this amount - but frankly there are many many way better cars that have sold for under £20k - I wish it was not so.
As one of (many on here) that have spent a lot on their pride and joy, we would all love to think that the value would be returned in a sale, but the facts don't stand up and in fact 'bespoke' cars seem to have a 'risk' factor attached to them, I have seen too many Turbo/SC cars go for silly money when they each probably had £10k+ spent on them alone on the upgrade. A uprated 5.0 engine is still suspect - we all have those we trust/don't on engine rebuilds - but still they don't come with long term guarantees.
I applaud you for attempting to get this amount - but frankly there are many many way better cars that have sold for under £20k - I wish it was not so.
ukdj said:
I would "confidently estimate" that most TVR's annual average mileage isn't anything like 11,600 - 12,000 miles and therefore the claim of low mileage is somewhat innacurate.
UKDJ This car has covered fewer than 1,000 per annum since it was entirely rebuilt with new components throughout and an entirely new engine. And you think this is high mileage?
(Does the world really need more Rons?)
Fair Price Cars said:
May I begin by thanking MATTGTD for bringing my car to the attention of others on the forum and adding to my publicity. As a purveyor of general and specialist cars my knowledge and experience has broad width, but often depth of knowledge on a specific model or car can be limited. It is therefore heartening to be educated by those who know so much better – I’m sure many of you can appreciate that in addition to forums like these, I also see many nasally voiced specialists in my warehouse as and when I have something special to sell.
If I can return the favour by passing on my own responses to a couple of comments:
MATTGTD You have fixated on the paint colour of the doors on my car. I can assure you that this car has even and immaculate original paint on every mm of the body. However, the Chimaera body has front wings offset quite substantially from the door fronts, and bowed rear quarters which means that the light reflects in different ways from the three panels. In certain colours, red and silver especially, this can lead to an apparent distortion in colour. Fortunately, those who know these cars will be aware of their shape and therefore allow for that.
You also commented that the car is not ‘low mileage’. I would disagree. It has long been held that the average mileage in the UK for a car is 12,000. However, a Motor Insurance organisation recently published adjusted figures for different types of car. Coupes, convertibles and roadsters came out at 11,600 miles per year average. This car has covered less than 3,000 per annum – around 25% of average, so YES, it is a very low mileage car. In addition, the brand new engine has covered just a shade over 10,000 miles.
Finally, you described this car as “…just a 98 500 with a bit of a bland interior…” Whilst I respect your expertise and wisdom, this is clearly not the case, as with the exception of the body, chassis and interior there is barely a bolt or a washer which is original.
SIMONWEDGE You misquoted me as saying I would “…confidentially estimate…” actually, I said confidently. Quite a different meaning.
A few other very relevant comments were made. The reference to 400 bhp was quoted by the owner of the vehicle from whom I obtained the car, a very regular customer and prolific collector of classic and exotic cars. He has actually had the car on a RR in Yorkshire (for which I have the receipt) and has a print-out showing 400+ bhp. Unfortunately he has not yet laid his hands on the print out, so I am not prepared to quote it. The figure of 370 lb/ft was quoted as a conservative estimate by V8D.
So, finally let me deal with value. This car is not a Chim 500. It has a completely new purpose built engine and ancillaries which I will not detail ad infinitum, suffice to say that the engine is not a back street bore out. It has been done properly and spec’d by the then owner, a very experienced TVR specialist. In addition to the cross bolted engine it has a proper braking system, with high spec discs, pad, ancillaries, hoses etc., a proper racing clutch and ancillaries, a full redesigned suspension set up, prop, rear axle and LSD and so much more. Add to that a service history which is simply second to none, and a provable history of proper dry storage and this car is special…
I would estimate the cost of carrying out the same conversion today as being not shy of £20,000, that’s after you buy the car.
However, value isn’t always calculated by what one spends, I know this as much as anyone.
I calculate the value of cars I sell by what the market has set. Unfortunately, there is no comparison for this car on the market today, or indeed recently. I have therefore set the price at the top end of what I think it will achieve, with an option to submit best offers. The car will find its mark, of that I am sure, and I am confident that the final sale figure will be in excess of £25,000. MATTGTD You commented that if you were spending £30,000 today it probably wouldn’t be on a TVR. But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
TVR cars have suffered their unpopularity due to manufacturing shortcuts and reliability issues, but they are now beginning to fall into another category – classic cars. Mint condition, well maintained British sports cars will always fetch top dollar, and the market is as strong now as it has ever been.
I recently saw a Ford Sierra Cosworth, not a 500, which was absolutely original but untouched for 12 years, reach £45,000 in auction.
So…I agree with those of you wise enough to understand the power of market forces. I am not a private TVR owner, I am just the temporary keeper of this car whilst it is between owners, but if I was an owner I would not be devaluing the brand, but instead recognising it as a fast appreciating and increasingly rare British asset.
Oh, and PHAZED, if you want me to sell yours on your behalf, I can guarantee you a substantial return on your £11,000 investment.
I have to be honest and say that I didn't read all of that as I got completely bored half way through.If I can return the favour by passing on my own responses to a couple of comments:
MATTGTD You have fixated on the paint colour of the doors on my car. I can assure you that this car has even and immaculate original paint on every mm of the body. However, the Chimaera body has front wings offset quite substantially from the door fronts, and bowed rear quarters which means that the light reflects in different ways from the three panels. In certain colours, red and silver especially, this can lead to an apparent distortion in colour. Fortunately, those who know these cars will be aware of their shape and therefore allow for that.
You also commented that the car is not ‘low mileage’. I would disagree. It has long been held that the average mileage in the UK for a car is 12,000. However, a Motor Insurance organisation recently published adjusted figures for different types of car. Coupes, convertibles and roadsters came out at 11,600 miles per year average. This car has covered less than 3,000 per annum – around 25% of average, so YES, it is a very low mileage car. In addition, the brand new engine has covered just a shade over 10,000 miles.
Finally, you described this car as “…just a 98 500 with a bit of a bland interior…” Whilst I respect your expertise and wisdom, this is clearly not the case, as with the exception of the body, chassis and interior there is barely a bolt or a washer which is original.
SIMONWEDGE You misquoted me as saying I would “…confidentially estimate…” actually, I said confidently. Quite a different meaning.
A few other very relevant comments were made. The reference to 400 bhp was quoted by the owner of the vehicle from whom I obtained the car, a very regular customer and prolific collector of classic and exotic cars. He has actually had the car on a RR in Yorkshire (for which I have the receipt) and has a print-out showing 400+ bhp. Unfortunately he has not yet laid his hands on the print out, so I am not prepared to quote it. The figure of 370 lb/ft was quoted as a conservative estimate by V8D.
So, finally let me deal with value. This car is not a Chim 500. It has a completely new purpose built engine and ancillaries which I will not detail ad infinitum, suffice to say that the engine is not a back street bore out. It has been done properly and spec’d by the then owner, a very experienced TVR specialist. In addition to the cross bolted engine it has a proper braking system, with high spec discs, pad, ancillaries, hoses etc., a proper racing clutch and ancillaries, a full redesigned suspension set up, prop, rear axle and LSD and so much more. Add to that a service history which is simply second to none, and a provable history of proper dry storage and this car is special…
I would estimate the cost of carrying out the same conversion today as being not shy of £20,000, that’s after you buy the car.
However, value isn’t always calculated by what one spends, I know this as much as anyone.
I calculate the value of cars I sell by what the market has set. Unfortunately, there is no comparison for this car on the market today, or indeed recently. I have therefore set the price at the top end of what I think it will achieve, with an option to submit best offers. The car will find its mark, of that I am sure, and I am confident that the final sale figure will be in excess of £25,000. MATTGTD You commented that if you were spending £30,000 today it probably wouldn’t be on a TVR. But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
TVR cars have suffered their unpopularity due to manufacturing shortcuts and reliability issues, but they are now beginning to fall into another category – classic cars. Mint condition, well maintained British sports cars will always fetch top dollar, and the market is as strong now as it has ever been.
I recently saw a Ford Sierra Cosworth, not a 500, which was absolutely original but untouched for 12 years, reach £45,000 in auction.
So…I agree with those of you wise enough to understand the power of market forces. I am not a private TVR owner, I am just the temporary keeper of this car whilst it is between owners, but if I was an owner I would not be devaluing the brand, but instead recognising it as a fast appreciating and increasingly rare British asset.
Oh, and PHAZED, if you want me to sell yours on your behalf, I can guarantee you a substantial return on your £11,000 investment.
just for the record I'm the technical and training manager for the second largest accident repair chain in the UK and also sit on various expert working groups and development groups for 4 major paint companies. With this in mind I'd probably advise you against trying to offer some sort of education on paint and light refraction on here.
Good luck with the sale, I can't be a@#ed with writing war and peace and having a major debate about it as I have a life and things to be doing on a Saturday.
mattgtd said:
I have to be honest and say that I didn't read all of that as I got completely bored half way through.
just for the record I'm the technical and training manager for the second largest accident repair chain in the UK and also sit on various expert working groups and development groups for 4 major paint companies. With this in mind I'd probably advise you against trying to offer some sort of education on paint and light refraction on here.
Good luck with the sale, I can't be a@#ed with writing war and peace and having a major debate about it as I have a life and things to be doing on a Saturday.
As a guy with an interest in cars, I have followed the forums on PH for sometime, without feeling the need to get involved. just for the record I'm the technical and training manager for the second largest accident repair chain in the UK and also sit on various expert working groups and development groups for 4 major paint companies. With this in mind I'd probably advise you against trying to offer some sort of education on paint and light refraction on here.
Good luck with the sale, I can't be a@#ed with writing war and peace and having a major debate about it as I have a life and things to be doing on a Saturday.
However this discussion has forced me over the edge and I feel bound to add my two-penneth...
It is quite clear from the photos I have seen of this car that the paint seems to match perfectly well. Just look at it from all angles. But what prompted me to get involved was your need to noisily establish your credentials and then offer some veiled threat against contradicting you. To borrow a quote, "you have nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly."
As for having a life and other things to do on a Saturday - then why are you here? And why were you here last Saturday? And if you are in such high demand as a world paint expert, why were you on here all day on a Friday?
The lady doth protest too much?
No I don't think it is high mileage, but the average TVR covers a lot less than the 11,600-12,000 you claim to be the accepted average for these cars.
"IN THOSE 12 YEARS THE CAR HAS COVERED A TOTAL OF 4,000" this has obviously helped lower the average somewhat!
4k in 12 years can also be seen as detrimental rather than a benefit, as these cars are more reliable if used, plenty of supporting evidence throughout these forums.
"THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN DRIVEN IN THE DAMP OR WET SINCE 2003" and probably suffers from all of the usual TVR leak points but they have not been found if not exposed to H20!
There is a lot of brand/model specific knowledge on these forums, and those in the know will point out these things so I hope you take these comments as constructive as I'm sure the owners are not trying to talk down the value of their vehicles and would love to achieve a sale price north of 25k.
"IN THOSE 12 YEARS THE CAR HAS COVERED A TOTAL OF 4,000" this has obviously helped lower the average somewhat!
4k in 12 years can also be seen as detrimental rather than a benefit, as these cars are more reliable if used, plenty of supporting evidence throughout these forums.
"THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN DRIVEN IN THE DAMP OR WET SINCE 2003" and probably suffers from all of the usual TVR leak points but they have not been found if not exposed to H20!
There is a lot of brand/model specific knowledge on these forums, and those in the know will point out these things so I hope you take these comments as constructive as I'm sure the owners are not trying to talk down the value of their vehicles and would love to achieve a sale price north of 25k.
Fair Price Cars said:
Nick,
Did you come and see the car already? I don't recognise the name. If not how can you possibly judge?
Look at http://tvrengineer.co.uk/customer-work/orange-4-0-... and then you will know (I don't need to come look at yours) - and there are plenty of other cars as nice/sorted as mine. Your car although special to me counts as minor upgrade compared with many cars. Did you come and see the car already? I don't recognise the name. If not how can you possibly judge?
Saddleworthian said:
As a guy with an interest in cars, I have followed the forums on PH for sometime, without feeling the need to get involved.
However this discussion has forced me over the edge and I feel bound to add my two-penneth...
It is quite clear from the photos I have seen of this car that the paint seems to match perfectly well. Just look at it from all angles. But what prompted me to get involved was your need to noisily establish your credentials and then offer some veiled threat against contradicting you. To borrow a quote, "you have nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly."
As for having a life and other things to do on a Saturday - then why are you here? And why were you here last Saturday? And if you are in such high demand as a world paint expert, why were you on here all day on a Friday?
The lady doth protest too much?
Have a word with yourself Charles Dickens, you've conveniently joined today, just after fair priced cars join and get involved....you're not at all connected to the seller are you, oh no! However this discussion has forced me over the edge and I feel bound to add my two-penneth...
It is quite clear from the photos I have seen of this car that the paint seems to match perfectly well. Just look at it from all angles. But what prompted me to get involved was your need to noisily establish your credentials and then offer some veiled threat against contradicting you. To borrow a quote, "you have nothing to say and you're saying it too loudly."
As for having a life and other things to do on a Saturday - then why are you here? And why were you here last Saturday? And if you are in such high demand as a world paint expert, why were you on here all day on a Friday?
The lady doth protest too much?
For the record I wouldn't call "I'd probably advise against" a threat?
Now if you're trying to tell me that the door and nsr 1/4 are the same colour then fair enough, I'm obviously wrong and don't know what I'm looking at.
This car seems to all match fine though, even with it's flared wings and bulged arches etc.
P.s whoever owns this car, looks great on those wheels!
ukdj said:
No I don't think it is high mileage, but the average TVR covers a lot less than the 11,600-12,000 you claim to be the accepted average for these cars.
"IN THOSE 12 YEARS THE CAR HAS COVERED A TOTAL OF 4,000" this has obviously helped lower the average somewhat!
4k in 12 years can also be seen as detrimental rather than a benefit, as these cars are more reliable if used, plenty of supporting evidence throughout these forums.
"THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN DRIVEN IN THE DAMP OR WET SINCE 2003" and probably suffers from all of the usual TVR leak points but they have not been found if not exposed to H20!
There is a lot of brand/model specific knowledge on these forums, and those in the know will point out these things so I hope you take these comments as constructive as I'm sure the owners are not trying to talk down the value of their vehicles and would love to achieve a sale price north of 25k.
This will be my last post on this particular discussion as unfortunately these things have a habit of becoming dick measuring exercises."IN THOSE 12 YEARS THE CAR HAS COVERED A TOTAL OF 4,000" this has obviously helped lower the average somewhat!
4k in 12 years can also be seen as detrimental rather than a benefit, as these cars are more reliable if used, plenty of supporting evidence throughout these forums.
"THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN DRIVEN IN THE DAMP OR WET SINCE 2003" and probably suffers from all of the usual TVR leak points but they have not been found if not exposed to H20!
There is a lot of brand/model specific knowledge on these forums, and those in the know will point out these things so I hope you take these comments as constructive as I'm sure the owners are not trying to talk down the value of their vehicles and would love to achieve a sale price north of 25k.
However, my own particular weaknesses prevent me from being able to walk away without answering a few comments. In fact UKDJ your latest response exemplifies the reason why some discussions such as this degenerate exactly as I have described.
You have suggested that as my car has covered just 4,000 miles in 12 years that this is, or maybe detrimental to its reliability. I have no idea how you can convince yourself of this without evidence. This car has been stored properly, it has been maintained to the nth degree by a very experienced TVR specialist. How its fluid levels have been maintained, humidity and air condition managed, how frequently it has been driven etc. is something I will discuss with prospective buyers, suffice to say as a successful dealer I am convinced that its condition could not be better, and has certainly not been harmed by its limited mileage.
You also state that it "...probably suffers from all the TVR leak points..." How on earth can you make that judgement? It is entirely unfounded, unjustifiable and arbitrary to suggest such a thing. What do you know about this particular car that I don't? I suspect that the answer is nothing.
I use PH on a frequent basis and have done for many years, and find the forums absolutely invaluable for helping with problems with a variety of cars from the minor to the very major. PH has in this way saved me time and money incalculable over the years and I genuinely am grateful for those contributors prepared to spend their time helping others.
However, the medium is damaged by those who wish to display their pedanticism, jealousy and half knowledge in discussions like this one.
Let me make a very simple point to you, and the other detractors of higher value Chims:
Can you find me a car which ticks all of these boxes..:
1. TVR Chimaera
2. Purpose built uprated high performance engine by one of the most experienced V8 engine suppliers in the UK
3. An engine cross bolted to minimise crank movement/flexing, with a high quality racing cam, steel rods, uprated heads ad infinitum
4. High end full brake system, racing clutch system, quality suspension system, etc. All with high quality ancillaries designed to take the forces a car of this nature can produce?
5. A car which was designed, spec'd, built and owned by an experienced TVR specialist and has been serviced by the same man since the car was rebuilt
6. A car which has covered just 50k miles or so
7. A car which has been serviced nearly 30 times by TVR dealer or specialist
8. A car which has absolutely flawless and immaculate original paint
9. A car which is in pristine condition throughout
10. A car which has been dry stored in controlled environment for the last 12 years
Can you find me one for sale today? Or if not, can you have one made for less that £30k? No?
Do you know of a single fault with my car? No?
Then I can justify my price tag.
I spend my life sourcing classic and sports cars for high net worth individuals, and the one thing I know, for sure, is that pristine, perfect, well maintained cars carry a premium.
Fair Price Cars said:
ukdj said:
No I don't think it is high mileage, but the average TVR covers a lot less than the 11,600-12,000 you claim to be the accepted average for these cars.
"IN THOSE 12 YEARS THE CAR HAS COVERED A TOTAL OF 4,000" this has obviously helped lower the average somewhat!
4k in 12 years can also be seen as detrimental rather than a benefit, as these cars are more reliable if used, plenty of supporting evidence throughout these forums.
"THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN DRIVEN IN THE DAMP OR WET SINCE 2003" and probably suffers from all of the usual TVR leak points but they have not been found if not exposed to H20!
There is a lot of brand/model specific knowledge on these forums, and those in the know will point out these things so I hope you take these comments as constructive as I'm sure the owners are not trying to talk down the value of their vehicles and would love to achieve a sale price north of 25k.
This will be my last post on this particular discussion as unfortunately these things have a habit of becoming dick measuring exercises."IN THOSE 12 YEARS THE CAR HAS COVERED A TOTAL OF 4,000" this has obviously helped lower the average somewhat!
4k in 12 years can also be seen as detrimental rather than a benefit, as these cars are more reliable if used, plenty of supporting evidence throughout these forums.
"THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN DRIVEN IN THE DAMP OR WET SINCE 2003" and probably suffers from all of the usual TVR leak points but they have not been found if not exposed to H20!
There is a lot of brand/model specific knowledge on these forums, and those in the know will point out these things so I hope you take these comments as constructive as I'm sure the owners are not trying to talk down the value of their vehicles and would love to achieve a sale price north of 25k.
However, my own particular weaknesses prevent me from being able to walk away without answering a few comments. In fact UKDJ your latest response exemplifies the reason why some discussions such as this degenerate exactly as I have described.
You have suggested that as my car has covered just 4,000 miles in 12 years that this is, or maybe detrimental to its reliability. I have no idea how you can convince yourself of this without evidence. This car has been stored properly, it has been maintained to the nth degree by a very experienced TVR specialist. How its fluid levels have been maintained, humidity and air condition managed, how frequently it has been driven etc. is something I will discuss with prospective buyers, suffice to say as a successful dealer I am convinced that its condition could not be better, and has certainly not been harmed by its limited mileage.
You also state that it "...probably suffers from all the TVR leak points..." How on earth can you make that judgement? It is entirely unfounded, unjustifiable and arbitrary to suggest such a thing. What do you know about this particular car that I don't? I suspect that the answer is nothing.
I use PH on a frequent basis and have done for many years, and find the forums absolutely invaluable for helping with problems with a variety of cars from the minor to the very major. PH has in this way saved me time and money incalculable over the years and I genuinely am grateful for those contributors prepared to spend their time helping others.
However, the medium is damaged by those who wish to display their pedanticism, jealousy and half knowledge in discussions like this one.
Let me make a very simple point to you, and the other detractors of higher value Chims:
Can you find me a car which ticks all of these boxes..:
1. TVR Chimaera
2. Purpose built uprated high performance engine by one of the most experienced V8 engine suppliers in the UK
3. An engine cross bolted to minimise crank movement/flexing, with a high quality racing cam, steel rods, uprated heads ad infinitum
4. High end full brake system, racing clutch system, quality suspension system, etc. All with high quality ancillaries designed to take the forces a car of this nature can produce?
5. A car which was designed, spec'd, built and owned by an experienced TVR specialist and has been serviced by the same man since the car was rebuilt
6. A car which has covered just 50k miles or so
7. A car which has been serviced nearly 30 times by TVR dealer or specialist
8. A car which has absolutely flawless and immaculate original paint
9. A car which is in pristine condition throughout
10. A car which has been dry stored in controlled environment for the last 12 years
Can you find me one for sale today? Or if not, can you have one made for less that £30k? No?
Do you know of a single fault with my car? No?
Then I can justify my price tag.
I spend my life sourcing classic and sports cars for high net worth individuals, and the one thing I know, for sure, is that pristine, perfect, well maintained cars carry a premium.
I merely pointed out that there is plenty of evidence on these forums to support that TVR's that are stored rather than used tend to be the ones with un-resolved issues i haven't said I know your vehicle has issues, likewise I didn't say your vehicle leaked hence the word "probably" although it is again common knowledge that these cars are not water tight and those that haven't been out in the wet are the ones that haven't found the leaks that come with these cars.
People can & do interpret things differently, some will be happy with the 4k in 12 years others will see it as a potential issue - same for the not used in the wet argument there are pros and cons to everything - unless you have seen the vehicle in the flesh it is all supposition.
The car is modified from standard and despite the value of these parts and the upgraded specification, purists will argue that this detracts from the value, whilst supporters will be happy with the enhancements and may pay a little extra for such a car - again pros & cons.
The car is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it at the end of the day, if you get your asking price it can only be a good thing for residual values.
I wish you well with your sale and please let us know what it goes for.
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