30K Chim!!!!!!!!
Discussion
Fair Price Cars said:
Then I can justify my price tag.
I spend my life sourcing classic and sports cars for high net worth individuals, and the one thing I know, for sure, is that pristine, perfect, well maintained cars carry a premium.
The flaw in your thinking (to me anyway) is that you are giving it a high value due to it being 'original' (i.e. the paint) yet much of it is not original. A high net-worth buyer in general can buy anything and is looking for something unique - and this is not a unique car, because its not original, anyone can get a car to be immaculate through a refurb of interior/exterior. I spend my life sourcing classic and sports cars for high net worth individuals, and the one thing I know, for sure, is that pristine, perfect, well maintained cars carry a premium.
And to sell for a high price due to it being a quality car / high quality build then it is miles away from other cars that are 'proper' immaculate e.g.
As previously stated - I would love all of our cars to be valued much much higher - but something in the economics of TVR's (for now) doesn't allow it to happen, given time (and reduction in quality cars) and or re-emergency of the brand will change all that, it's happened to other marque's I really hope it's going to happen to TVR's. But for now I think this is flawed and any acquirer is going to have been duped - as they could have got a lot more for the money.
As a 'high net worth individual' I agree with everything that's been said on here 
I'm also a powerfully built company director I also own a mint low mileage 500 with an engine built by the best in the business, properly uprated brakes and suspension, and a sound track to die for. If the gentlemen selling the £30k Chim sells it for that or somewhere near I may consider seeing if he could sell mine for a similar figure. I've always said I'll never sell Beastie, and I still think that way, but 30K would make a damn fine contribution to New TVR... Not that I need the money because I'm actually a 'high net worth individual'
This thread has turned into the kind of rubbish you typically see on the General Gassing Forum, not on the TVR forums...
Rant over, now where's my Merlot
I'm also a powerfully built company director I also own a mint low mileage 500 with an engine built by the best in the business, properly uprated brakes and suspension, and a sound track to die for. If the gentlemen selling the £30k Chim sells it for that or somewhere near I may consider seeing if he could sell mine for a similar figure. I've always said I'll never sell Beastie, and I still think that way, but 30K would make a damn fine contribution to New TVR... Not that I need the money because I'm actually a 'high net worth individual' This thread has turned into the kind of rubbish you typically see on the General Gassing Forum, not on the TVR forums...
Rant over, now where's my Merlot
phazed said:
bobfather said:
ChilliWhizz said:
Rant over, now where's my Merlot
Sorry but high net worth individuals don't drink bargain basement wines 
. I can say that after mucho sampling although this will look silly in the morning...........Even if you are a high net worth individual the Bible is still going to represent a complete waste of money
ChimpOnGas said:
phazed said:
bobfather said:
ChilliWhizz said:
Rant over, now where's my Merlot
Sorry but high net worth individuals don't drink bargain basement wines . I can say that after mucho sampling although this will look silly in the morning...........Even if you are a high net worth individual the Bible is still going to represent a complete waste of money
Maybe someone nicked it
WinstonWolf said:
ChimpOnGas said:
phazed said:
bobfather said:
ChilliWhizz said:
Rant over, now where's my Merlot
Sorry but high net worth individuals don't drink bargain basement wines . I can say that after mucho sampling although this will look silly in the morning...........Even if you are a high net worth individual the Bible is still going to represent a complete waste of money
Maybe someone nicked it
http://www.actproducts.co.uk/2011/lucas-14cux-fuel...
Free too.
Another £40 saved
Fair Price Cars said:
But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
Complete and utter bulls
t, never quote figures you can't prove to be correct, or quote what you've heard down the pub... The spec of the Chim you're selling will be absolutely nowhere near those kind of figures. You're an imbecile.
ChilliWhizz said:
Complete and utter bullst, never quote figures you can't prove to be correct, or quote what you've heard down the pub... The spec of the Chim you're selling will be absolutely nowhere near those kind of figures. You're an imbecile.
t, never quote figures you can't prove to be correct, or quote what you've heard down the pub... The spec of the Chim you're selling will be absolutely nowhere near those kind of figures. You're an imbecile.
glad it wasn't just me thinking that!ChilliWhizz said:
Fair Price Cars said:
But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
Complete and utter bullst, never quote figures you can't prove to be correct, or quote what you've heard down the pub... The spec of the Chim you're selling will be absolutely nowhere near those kind of figures. You're an imbecile.I've come to the conclusion the man selling this car is a dealer,,, regardless of that what's actually happened here is he thinks he's seen a car or two in his time,, I'm sure he has,,, but never driven a good Tvr, I'm sure the car he's selling is everything he says it is,, as soon as he drove it his arse fell out,, couldn't believe the acceleration, handling and general brilliant manners of a good Tvr,,,, realised these things are the best thing since sliced bread and like all dealers in any business decided to push the car upwards because he believes it's that good!
If any of that is true then I applaud his efforts to raise the the value but hey the way classic values have jumped back up in recent times shows were lagging behind,,, and he may have a good point!
N7GTX said:
Well well, the plot thickens......
Hello, where's the forum mediators?
Fair Price Cars is breaking two of the PH rules here:
Do not post or link for the purposes of advertising or personal gain (including cars for sale) or cross-post across multiple forums. If you wish to advertise please use the classifieds or contact us directly. Please note that we do not allow members to advertise their own car in the forums, nor do we allow members to post asking for valuations on their current car (please use the classifieds as a guide).
OK, he didn't start the post but he is definitely trying to defend the price of is car, hence posting for personal gain.
Do not choose a username which is the same as a company or trading name, nor create multiple profiles or attempt to use any other person's PH log-in to post content without permission or promote charity events, recruit for charitable donations, surveys or seek votes for competitions without permission nor promote events without permission.
I got my thread modified to remove the name of the bloke from whom I bought my Chimaera (despite not saying anything bad about him, just the facts about the state of the chassis) and this guy is left to write an assay trying to sell his car!!
Can 'Fair Price Cars' update his classified add to include exactly what brake upgrade has been done? I've got braided hoses on mine but that doesn't mean 'high spec brakes'. So what exactly does it have? A 283 WMS kit? Cosy 883s? What? or just a set of new pads??
And what does he mean by uprated suspension? A set of Gaz golds or tube wishbones with absolutely zero bumpsteer (if that's even possible).
We shouldn't moan that our motors are undervalued and then moan when one reaches a 'good' price (provided that we all benefit, including all the guys that have put blood, sweat and tears into sorting out their - AND OTHERS!! cars).
But isn't that the problem here? If this guy does sell this motor for 30k then he'll get a nice profit but will it actually increase the value of the rest of the Chimaeras? I doubt it.
Fair Price Cars is breaking two of the PH rules here:
Do not post or link for the purposes of advertising or personal gain (including cars for sale) or cross-post across multiple forums. If you wish to advertise please use the classifieds or contact us directly. Please note that we do not allow members to advertise their own car in the forums, nor do we allow members to post asking for valuations on their current car (please use the classifieds as a guide).
OK, he didn't start the post but he is definitely trying to defend the price of is car, hence posting for personal gain.
Do not choose a username which is the same as a company or trading name, nor create multiple profiles or attempt to use any other person's PH log-in to post content without permission or promote charity events, recruit for charitable donations, surveys or seek votes for competitions without permission nor promote events without permission.
I got my thread modified to remove the name of the bloke from whom I bought my Chimaera (despite not saying anything bad about him, just the facts about the state of the chassis) and this guy is left to write an assay trying to sell his car!!
Can 'Fair Price Cars' update his classified add to include exactly what brake upgrade has been done? I've got braided hoses on mine but that doesn't mean 'high spec brakes'. So what exactly does it have? A 283 WMS kit? Cosy 883s? What? or just a set of new pads??
And what does he mean by uprated suspension? A set of Gaz golds or tube wishbones with absolutely zero bumpsteer (if that's even possible).
We shouldn't moan that our motors are undervalued and then moan when one reaches a 'good' price (provided that we all benefit, including all the guys that have put blood, sweat and tears into sorting out their - AND OTHERS!! cars).
But isn't that the problem here? If this guy does sell this motor for 30k then he'll get a nice profit but will it actually increase the value of the rest of the Chimaeras? I doubt it.
davelittlewood said:
Hello, where's the forum mediators?
Can 'Fair Price Cars' update his classified add to include exactly what brake upgrade has been done? I've got braided hoses on mine but that doesn't mean 'high spec brakes'. So what exactly does it have? A 283 WMS kit? Cosy 883s? What? or just a set of new pads??
And what does he mean by uprated suspension? A set of Gaz golds or tube wishbones with absolutely zero bumpsteer (if that's even possible).
They are Wilwood brakes - I believe only on the front (hard to see from pictures) but certainly not 'high spec' in my books. Can 'Fair Price Cars' update his classified add to include exactly what brake upgrade has been done? I've got braided hoses on mine but that doesn't mean 'high spec brakes'. So what exactly does it have? A 283 WMS kit? Cosy 883s? What? or just a set of new pads??
And what does he mean by uprated suspension? A set of Gaz golds or tube wishbones with absolutely zero bumpsteer (if that's even possible).
Lets be clear - hes a sales guy, he is going to try and sell and we can all smell s
t when it is thrown at us which is why there has been such a violent reaction to this crap. Should he be allowed to 'sell' - well he didn't start the thread, he only defended it which definitely came close to 'selling' I am not a moderator so don't know what crosses the line. But I think he did more damage frankly to his reputation + sale because clearly he knows nothing about TVR's.
ChimpOnGas said:
What I don't understand is why anyone would bother to create this post in the first place 
Agreed. The tone is hostile (he apparently "loves" the fact that there is an apparent colour discrepancy across some of the panels....), which immediately starts a few bells ringing. Makes you wonder whether some people are genuine car enthusiasts sharing their love of Chims (and other cars), or whether they'd prefer to spend their 'valuable' time pursuing completely unnecessary agendas against those audacious enough to simply ask a high price for what appears to be a rather nice Chim. Bizarre.ChimpOnGas said:
Who cares if a car dealer is asking £30k for a Chimaera? It may well be overpriced in the eyes of many here but who knows he may end up selling it.
I've viewed a dozen or so £10-£17k Chims (in various states of tune) in recent months and I haven't seen a cracker as yet. In fact, half of them could reasonably have been described as knackered. I hate over-dressed engine bays with anodised everything and liberal applications of silicone on everything.....that doesn't say "mint" to me at all. Those who get a hard-on for the tinsel adorned, 'Max Power' look are welcome to it. (That pic earlier in the thread said it all...). I prefer original looking, properly maintained cars and if they've been mechanically upgraded, I either want to see the relevant paperwork to ensure that it's all been done professionally, or I'm not interested. I'm probably going to go and see this one. It's about an hour's drive away from me, and arguably a bit pricy at £30k, but I like the look of the car and the upgrades (while not to everyone's taste or specific requirements) are hardly what you'd call 'lacking'. I'm not a TVR expert by any means (I owned a '94 Grif 500 until about six years ago), but if this car is as described / has a good chassis and the dealer is willing to negotiate (he has stated as much...), then I could actually be interested. The fact that it runs a Lucas 14CUX (it has been raised a couple of times in this thread as an issue) isn't necessarily a bad thing either.......many of the revised fuel maps for the upgraded engines work a treat and I know loads of people who've run it on modified RV8s without any problems.
ChimpOnGas said:
Personally I wish the dealer all the luck in the world with his sale, you'd never get a post like this on a Porsche forum because they're all talking up the value of their cars not talking them down.
And they've got a little more respect for their fellow Porsche fans. I mean, if you're going to start publically vilifying a non specialist dealer you've never met (especially a dealer who hasn't claimed to be an authority on TVR and / or Chims......quite the opposite) over a car you've never seen or driven, then you clearly need to find yourself something useful or interesting to do. Deliberately starting (and enthusiasticially maintaining) a negative wave of bad publicity against someone who is simply going about his business on behalf of a valued customer, and then ganging up like a bunch of inadequate schoolboys when he logs on to defend his (perfectly reasonable) position......it really doesn't say a great deal for those involved, especially those who appear to have businesses of their own. It's as though some people care more about having their opinions challenged than they do for the truth. Get a grip.
ChimpOnGas said:
If a buyer comes along and is happy to pay the price, the dealer will get his sale & make his profit, what could possibly be wrong with any of that
We should all be getting behind this sale and egging it on, not critisising the seller for trying to get the most money he can for his car
Well said.We should all be getting behind this sale and egging it on, not critisising the seller for trying to get the most money he can for his car
[PS - I logged into this forum specifically to comment on this thread, having previously searched 'Chimaera 520 price'. I then watched the drama unfold, having established that I might be a buyer for this car, or at least something similar. If the paranoid and insecure among us choose to misinterpret these facts in order to justify further acts of childish hostility (as one or two previously did in respect of another poster...), then please knock yourselves out. I just want you to be happy, that's all.]
Edited by Tim-51gz2 on Monday 6th July 15:06
ChilliWhizz said:
Fair Price Cars said:
But could you find a pristine, low mileage, perfectly maintained, dry-stored classic which can achieve 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds and a top speed in excess of 185mph?
Complete and utter bullst, never quote figures you can't prove to be correct, or quote what you've heard down the pub... The spec of the Chim you're selling will be absolutely nowhere near those kind of figures. You're an imbecile.I saw once one of my previous Griffs being touted as having, 'race cams' [yes plural] fitted by specialist and as a result being capable of over 180MPH! [It had photographic record of an MC1 cam fitted by myself]
As always, buyer beware.
PS; Thanks Nick for gratuitous mention
[PS - I logged into this forum specifically to comment on this thread, having previously searched 'Chimaera 520 price'. I then watched the drama unfold, having established that I might be a buyer for this car, or at least something similar. If the paranoid and insecure among us choose to misinterpret these facts in order to justify further acts of childish hostility (as one or two previously did in respect of another poster...), then please knock yourselves out. I just want you to be happy, that's all.]
Yep totally believe you, not linked to the seller at all, oh no
Edited by Tim-51gz2 on Monday 6th July 15:06
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Edited by mattgtd on Monday 6th July 15:41
"I hate over-dressed engine bays with anodised everything and liberal applications of silicone on everything.....that doesn't say "mint" to me at all. Those who get a hard-on for the tinsel adorned, 'Max Power' look are welcome to it. (That pic earlier in the thread said it all...)."
Really wouldn't call this engine bay "Max Power" at all!
Edited by mattgtd on Monday 6th July 15:43
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