Hmm. Etiquette issue dog lead aggression.

Hmm. Etiquette issue dog lead aggression.

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Pesty

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42,655 posts

256 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Yes, that would probably be best although I'm not sure the other dog was playful in this case. The owner said sometimes he goes for other dogs.

After I separated them they were fine again just interested in swimming.

I'll take a look at the one recommended above.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Given the changes he has been subjected to recently I would be really wary of muzzling until all avenues explored.

Australian Cattle Dogs are known for being double hard though

Pesty

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42,655 posts

256 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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He has no fear. He also thinks he's 5 times bigger than he is. He's a strange old mutt but utterly loveable and goofy the rest of the time.

One good thing he definitely has a soft mouth. He's not one of those dogs that grips on for their life.

I'm not an expert on dogs fighting it may be that he's just a really good actor at acting hard. To me it looks very shocking when he starts snarling. ( remember that scene in mad max 2 it's a bit like that )

Never had this with my other dogs my old GSD was a soppy old thing. I'm hoping some socialisation with a dog he gets on with will help. I'll be contacting that trainer.

One good thing I worked on from a pup and I'm glad I did. He's not at all possessive. He was dropping his stick for those two dogs up there no problem. He also didn't react to the small one that was a little possessive.


1:34 lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3LA5c0b4VeE

Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 30th June 22:33

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Pesty said:
I'm not an expert on dogs fighting it may be that he's just a really good actor at acting hard. To me it looks very shocking when he starts snarling. ( remember that scene in mad max 2 it's a bit like that )
I think that is the point. A normal dog fight is a lot of posturing noise and snarling and baring of teeth.

then the humans start panicking and it gets out of hand.

In most cases all the dogs are doing is just finding their place in the pecking order and won't come to any serious harm.

Funnily enough since getting an enormous dog we have had zero dog fights most give him one look and slope off - which is really unfair on him as he is soft as anything. Just got in from a walk were two collies came absolutely carreering over to us (we have a pug, a bulldog and mastiff). They started giving it large with the two small ones (not viscous but a bit of growling and pushing the pug to the floor) then Bertie gallops over and one turned and ran back to the owner and other immediately
rolled over.

In 99.9% of cases it's just dogs being dogs.

Autopilot

1,298 posts

184 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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I think that is the point. A normal dog fight is a lot of posturing noise and snarling and baring of teeth.

then the humans start panicking and it gets out of hand.

In most cases all the dogs are doing is just finding their place in the pecking order and won't come to any serious harm.

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Humans regularly forget that dogs live by different rules and communicate in very different ways! A lot of the time, it's literally just this, noise! Teeth get displayed, it gets noisy, but more often than not it's ritual rather than a fight. You'll know when it's a fight.

When we do the protection phase in IPO, when the dog has a full bite on the sleeve, the handler controlling the dog applies pressure on the line connected to the dogs harness to help build drive. It's the equivalent to two drunk men arguing fairly harmlessly, then people breaking it up, it's this point when it escalates it to arms swinging when they are dragged away from each other. Applying pressure to the line connected to the dog is used to do the same thing, build more drive, the more you pull the more the dog fights. This is how the human element interfering between dogs fighting actually escalates things further, pulling them away adds fuel to the fire. I don't know the correct way to untangle a dog fight, but do know that as Desolate said, the human element here helps get things out of control.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Trouble with muzzles is they can make the dog feel scared as it can't defend itself & end up making the issue worse.

maxjeff

26 posts

106 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Have you had you dog "done" if he's male at the age of 2 they are roughly teenage. He's more likely to get territorial especially with other males.

maxjeff

26 posts

106 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Have you had you dog "done" if he's male at the age of 2 they are roughly teenage. He's more likely to get territorial especially with other males.

Pesty

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42,655 posts

256 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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No he's intact.

Perhaps bex can help here but I've been told by a vet that behaviour doesn't change.

elephantstone

2,176 posts

157 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Pesty said:
No he's intact.

Perhaps bex can help here but I've been told by a vet that behaviour doesn't change.
No change in our yorkie cross apart from seems to like coming for a cuddle bit more. Still a cocky little st who protects our wimpy dog (mentioned earlier) when she gets picked on.

I am led to believe this is a myth..

TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

146 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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My one regret about Bruce (so far!) is that I allowed the wife to have him 'done'.
Should have put my foot down, but as per the norm, woman gets her own way...

moorx

3,513 posts

114 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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TheLordJohn said:


My one regret about Bruce (so far!) is that I allowed the wife to have him 'done'.
Should have put my foot down, but as per the norm, woman gets her own way...
Can I ask why you regret it? Has it affected him detrimentally?

Just curious because I've had 11 dogs and all but one have been neutered.

elephantstone

2,176 posts

157 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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moorx said:
TheLordJohn said:


My one regret about Bruce (so far!) is that I allowed the wife to have him 'done'.
Should have put my foot down, but as per the norm, woman gets her own way...
Can I ask why you regret it? Has it affected him detrimentally?

Just curious because I've had 11 dogs and all but one have been neutered.
Im interested to see what would make you regret it. The only difference to my dog is he is probably abit more affectionate and he doesnt try shagging everything, watching a fustrated dog took me back to being a fustrated teenager! Painful to watch!

castex

4,936 posts

273 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Would you like it?

moorx

3,513 posts

114 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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castex said:
Would you like it?
I can't speak as a male.... because I'm not one. But actually, I would have had myself 'neutered' years ago if my doctor had agreed laugh

I should add, all my female dogs have been neutered too.

Just my opinion, but if you're not planning to breed from your dog, I don't understand why you would have a problem with neutering them.

TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

146 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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moorx said:
Just my opinion, but if you're not planning to breed from your dog, I don't understand why you would have a problem with neutering them.
Well that's the main reason. And the other reason is because his behaviour didn't warrant it. He didn't hump things, he wasn't aggressive etc.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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My last male dog wasn't neutered & no others will be. I've never seen a change in a dog's behaviour afterwards so why subject them too it?

TheLordJohn

5,746 posts

146 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Hooli said:
My last male dog wasn't neutered & no others will be. I've never seen a change in a dog's behaviour afterwards so why subject them too it?
What he said...

bexVN

14,682 posts

211 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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As long as you are aware of certain increase risks of medical conditions related to being entire and are prepared to deal with that then fair enough.

Personally whilst I don't think that 6 month neutering for males is often warranted and you definitely don't want to castrate young fearful dogs once they are mature I don't see anything gained by being entire and more to gain for their health.

It also takes away the worry of coming across entire females (that owners walk whilst in heat!! and yes they should neuter as well) when on a walk.

There are always pro's and cons with elective surgery but as long as you know both sides of the coin, you can make proper informed decisions and be prepared for any potential negatives.

For some dogs though it makes a huge positive difference to have them neutered.

Edited by bexVN on Friday 3rd July 22:34

Pesty

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Friday 3rd July 2015
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Do dog get impregnsted while on walks with resonsible owners? I'd always assumed it was certain types of people leaving their dogs to roam free.