security clearance and dual nationality

security clearance and dual nationality

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djones123

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193 posts

149 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Is it difficult for someone to get security clearance if he holds dual nationality? I have heard that you can be asked to relinquish your non-British nationality.

Also, how long does SC clearance take to come through.

Edited by djones123 on Monday 6th July 15:43

Benbay001

5,794 posts

157 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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djones123 said:
Is it difficult for someone to get security clearance if he holds dual nationality? I have heard that you can be asked to relinquish your non-British nationality.

Also, wow long does SC clearance take to come through.
Ive just had mine completed.
Took about a month.

djones123

Original Poster:

193 posts

149 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Benbay001 said:
Ive just had mine completed.
Took about a month.
Do you hold dual nationality?

Benbay001

5,794 posts

157 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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No, sorry.Didn't consider that. I guess it will take a touch longer. But not note worthily longer

AndrewEH1

4,917 posts

153 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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I'm sure it also depends on the what country you have dual nationality with.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Call this number: 01904 662644

When they answer your response needs to be - word for word - Oxfords not Brogues.

Joking apart this is the number to call for help. Good luck getting an answer though.

acd80

745 posts

145 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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djones123 said:
Is it difficult for someone to get security clearance if he holds dual nationality? I have heard that you can be asked to relinquish your non-British nationality.
Not that difficult necessarily but it does depend on your circumstances. Yes I have dual nationality and hold a clearance above that of SC.

Have held high level clearances for well in excess of a decade, almost two decades for SC.

djones123 said:
Also, wow long does SC clearance take to come through
How long is a piece of string? Again, it all depends on your circumstances and how busy the vetting agencies are. Probably not the answer you want but that's the way it is unfortunately!

jkh112

21,996 posts

158 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Dual nationality does not in itself prohibit security clearance, even at the the higher levels.
There are some specific security requirements around certain projects or sites which do prohibit dual nationals and some which prohibit those who are eligible for dual nationality (even if they do not hold it).
If you have a specific question I am happy to try and help via pm.

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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This probably won't be about security clearance, but rather ITAR - the US International Traffic in Arms Regulations.

Like a great many things USA related, its tentacles reach out far beyond American shores. If your company does defence things for the US government, chances are you'll come under ITAR.

The whole thing is fiendishly complicated - I once went for a job administering ITAR for a defence company and after reading the regulations decided it would be terrible. Have a read of this:

https://www.gov.uk/exporting-military-goods-to-the...

It makes my head hurt.

MBBlat

1,624 posts

149 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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I used to work with a French national who had SC, currently working with a Bulgarian.
As stated ITAR clearance is the main problem, they don't even like UK/US dual nationality.

Time wise it depends on the backlog and complexity, can be a month for UK nationals, dual & foreign can take a while longer with 6 months or longer not being unknown in my experience.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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I know of a least 3 people I've worked with who have dual nationality and are SC cleared, one Irish, one Iranian and one Romanian, infact I think the Romanian was DV cleared, and the Iranian guy came her illegally in the 80s and got nationality through some convoluted leave to remanin through a marriage that eventually led to him being naturalised and getting a passport, or some such process, he did however have the spooks round his gaff interviewing him and going through his kids computers etc... for a whole day.

Like the poster above say being ITAR clear is another kettle of fish.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I don't have duel nationality but I do/did live abroad, have property overseas (None EU), and married to a foreign citizen, again none EU. all my kids have duel nationality.
Not insurmountable problems but took a few months and had to have interviews, and find a lot of records on bank accounts.
The biggest problem I had was that my Dad's birth year was incorrectly recorded at Somerset house and was different from that on his birth certificate. The interview told me the birth certificate was illegal, so I give him my Dad's death certificate and said we would be happy to attend court if he could arrange. That was the ice breaker and he was very helpful after that, at the start of the interview he was very cold about my residence problems.

sdyson31

156 posts

125 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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FredClogs said:
I know of a least 3 people I've worked with who have dual nationality and are SC cleared, one Irish, one Iranian and one Romanian, infact I think the Romanian was DV cleared, and the Iranian guy came her illegally in the 80s and got nationality through some convoluted leave to remanin through a marriage that eventually led to him being naturalised and getting a passport, or some such process, he did however have the spooks round his gaff interviewing him and going through his kids computers etc... for a whole day.

Like the poster above say being ITAR clear is another kettle of fish.
This is scary man...going through personal stuff.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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sdyson31 said:
FredClogs said:
I know of a least 3 people I've worked with who have dual nationality and are SC cleared, one Irish, one Iranian and one Romanian, infact I think the Romanian was DV cleared, and the Iranian guy came her illegally in the 80s and got nationality through some convoluted leave to remanin through a marriage that eventually led to him being naturalised and getting a passport, or some such process, he did however have the spooks round his gaff interviewing him and going through his kids computers etc... for a whole day.

Like the poster above say being ITAR clear is another kettle of fish.
This is scary man...going through personal stuff.
It's standard DV clearance practice. It is to establish whether you have any 'things' - affairs, debts, peccadilloes, etc. - in your life and history that can be used by a third party to apply influence. Some of the interviewers do get a bit carried away with the cloke and dagger side of things though. It really isn't scary.


sdyson31

156 posts

125 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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rhinochopig said:
It's standard DV clearance practice. It is to establish whether you have any 'things' - affairs, debts, peccadilloes, etc. - in your life and history that can be used by a third party to apply influence. Some of the interviewers do get a bit carried away with the cloke and dagger side of things though. It really isn't scary.
do they interview everyone for SC?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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sdyson31 said:
rhinochopig said:
It's standard DV clearance practice. It is to establish whether you have any 'things' - affairs, debts, peccadilloes, etc. - in your life and history that can be used by a third party to apply influence. Some of the interviewers do get a bit carried away with the cloke and dagger side of things though. It really isn't scary.
do they interview everyone for SC?
Couldn't tell you what they do now, as it's typically quicker / easier if you've been done before. As per my previous post, call the helpline if you want it straight from the horses mouth. If you can get them to pick up, they're typically very helpful.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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sdyson31 said:
rhinochopig said:
It's standard DV clearance practice. It is to establish whether you have any 'things' - affairs, debts, peccadilloes, etc. - in your life and history that can be used by a third party to apply influence. Some of the interviewers do get a bit carried away with the cloke and dagger side of things though. It really isn't scary.
do they interview everyone for SC?
No, they don't, the do for DV I believe. But I think if there is any suspicion, foreign-ness or dodgy parentage they will for SC.

It's worth knowing that an SC clearance can give you access to some pretty secret information, sometimes in my line of work that can seem pretty abstract because the information is low level technical data that I take for granted but in the wrong hands it could be very useful.

It's also worth noting that every UK passport holder is automatically beholden to the official secrets act, whether they're aware of it or not.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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FredClogs said:
sdyson31 said:
rhinochopig said:
It's standard DV clearance practice. It is to establish whether you have any 'things' - affairs, debts, peccadilloes, etc. - in your life and history that can be used by a third party to apply influence. Some of the interviewers do get a bit carried away with the cloke and dagger side of things though. It really isn't scary.
do they interview everyone for SC?
No, they don't, the do for DV I believe. But I think if there is any suspicion, foreign-ness or dodgy parentage they will for SC.

It's worth knowing that an SC clearance can give you access to some pretty secret information, sometimes in my line of work that can seem pretty abstract because the information is low level technical data that I take for granted but in the wrong hands it could be very useful.

It's also worth noting that every UK passport holder is automatically beholden to the official secrets act, whether they're aware of it or not.
'pretty-secret' Not come across that classification before hehe

Does that sit above or below 'Victoria's Secret'?

Gaunty50

1 posts

105 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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Hi, I hold both British and South African nationality. I have SC clearance that took around a month or so to get through the process.

98elise

26,547 posts

161 months

Tuesday 14th July 2015
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rhinochopig said:
Call this number: 01904 662644

When they answer your response needs to be - word for word - Oxfords not Brogues.

Joking apart this is the number to call for help. Good luck getting an answer though.
Words to live by Eggsy