RE: Motorsport on Monday: 06/07/2015

RE: Motorsport on Monday: 06/07/2015

Monday 6th July 2015

Motorsport on Monday: 06/07/2015

Showman Lewis wows the crowds. Again



On pole and with his clutch functioning, this should have been a Lewis Hamilton masterclass: he'd have led at the first corner and then monstered the race in an uneventful but patriotically-pleasing fashion. But not a bit. Making the 2015 British Grand Prix a don't-fall-asleep thriller.

Blissfully it's been all over the news sports reports, how Lewis fought back and won in front of 140,000 people, but it was the racing along the way that was most satisfying. That mistake after the first safety car that put him behind Bottas, the Schumacher-like in lap after the Williams finally pitted, the outstanding "was it local knowledge" call to pit just at the right moment.

If only all F1 races were like this; if only all F1 circuits were classics, rather than cynically-built tedio-bores with no crowds. F1's joint-oldest race circuit has put the excitement back into the sport - and to think we're possibly going to lose the other, Monza...

Could have been great for Williams - wasn't
Could have been great for Williams - wasn't
Williams blunders
We hate reading it as much as we hated watching it, but Williams got it wrong. Given a surprise 1-2 at the start of the race, Valtteri Bottas was clearly faster than Felipe Massa, with the prowling Mercs in hot pursuit. A team that really races should have raced: let the quicker guy past and try to build up a lead that could take the fight to Hamilton and Rosberg.

But no. Williams was instead, for a few crucial laps, a team like a rabbit blinded by the headlights. It froze. It bafflingly told the drivers not to race and so didn't allow Bottas past. When it finally came to its senses, it was too late. Reward for this silly anti-racer stumble? No win, not even the podium place it deserved, but fourth and fifth.

Now any right-thinking British motorsport fan loves Williams, which is why we can say this: that was the wrong call. You blew it. Silverstone was a race you really could have won, but pit wall procrastinations meant that, despite being given a chance, you didn't take it. Will you get another chance like that this season? Probably not. Which is why, for all its brilliance, a part of the British Grand Prix was tarnished. Please, Williams, don't let it happen again.

Things have to improve soon, right?
Things have to improve soon, right?
McLaren: oh, McLaren
To fans, things are going from bad to worse for McLaren. To McLaren, things are going exactly to plan and looking more and more positive with every race. No, I can't square that one, either. But I do know that, almost half the season in, still tooling round at the back of the grid battling with the Manors is, in PR terms, disastrous. We may well be proven wrong when Honda develop sufficiently to become a Mercedes-like force - but patience is thin in F1 and how long will people like Alonso stick around waiting for it to come good?

Even Schumacher at Ferrari started from a better base than this, which is how he had the opportunity to pounce when the rain fell in Spain in 1996. Alonso was perhaps thinking of that when he signed the contract; now, he's maybe more keen to get out of it, and certainly not at all keen to look at what Vettel is doing in his old Ferrari.

The experts say there's more of the same in store for McLaren-Honda over the next few races, meaning yet more Q1 drop-outs and yet more dismal, depressing messages over the radio. The ignominy was compounded at Silverstone when the two cars hit each other, leaving one of the two former World Champions driving the slothful cars to trudge back to the pits in front of his home crowd, denied the chance to at least try a bit of his well-known wet-weather magic later on. How much more pain is in store for McLaren before something gives?

Aston rumours only that for now; let's see
Aston rumours only that for now; let's see
Aston Martin Mercedes-Benz Red Bull Infiniti Racing?
Because Red Bull has taken the bizarre PR approach of rubbishing the engine supplier that helped it to four World Championships at every opportunity, many in the paddock are wondering where it can turn to. Obviously not Honda (although if they're like this with Renault, it would be hilarious to see how Red Bull coped if they DID have Honda), which leaves Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz.

Ferrari seemed most likely until Saturday evening - when Autocar reported that extraordinary conversations were underway to rebrand a Merc engine as Aston Martin and start supplying them to Red Bull from next season. It would be a badge-engineering deal rather like the current one that sticks the Infiniti badge on Renault motors, made possible by Mercedes' five per cent stake and tech-sharing partnership with Aston Martin.

"A load of rubbish," Niki Lauda in his inimitable style told Reuters. "We have not been asked, we never thought about it. That's it." But then, respond others, he would say that, wouldn't he? The thought is absolutely fascinating; now let's see how it develops this week...



[Sources: Autocar, LAT]

 

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Oddball RS

Original Poster:

1,757 posts

218 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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I don't follow,

"A team that really races should have raced: let the quicker guy past and try to build up a lead that could take the fight to Hamilton and Rosberg."

That's not racing is it? that's what they used to do......

As for Honda, you expect them to get to Mercedes levels? I really wouldn't hold your breath, times have changed, I would put more money on them admitting defeat and bailing.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Its a shame that lewis will 'skew' the f1 history books by seeming to be better than he is, simply because the current F1 grid is the most uncompetitive in history(car wise), a two horse race, the complete opposite of what Rossi is doing in MotoGP, where its the most competitive its ever been(bikes and riders).

MrTickle

1,825 posts

239 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Williams never stood a chance of winning in that race - the moment it got wet they had no pace - and any lead they ??could?? have built up would have gone and the Lewis would have taken the lead.

richardaucock

204 posts

163 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Oddball RS said:
I don't follow,

"A team that really races should have raced: let the quicker guy past and try to build up a lead that could take the fight to Hamilton and Rosberg."

That's not racing is it? that's what they used to do......

As for Honda, you expect them to get to Mercedes levels? I really wouldn't hold your breath, times have changed, I would put more money on them admitting defeat and bailing.
Would've liked to have seen them take the race to the other teams - could Bottas have extended a lead, could the Mercs been boxed in behind Massa? We'll never know, but we were denied the opportunity of finding out.

richardaucock

204 posts

163 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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MrTickle said:
Williams never stood a chance of winning in that race - the moment it got wet they had no pace - and any lead they ??could?? have built up would have gone and the Lewis would have taken the lead.
Agree with this too; Williams' pace in the wet wasn't there, but it wasn't known that it would rain early on, hence the frustration at the caution!

Great that we're able to talk about the front-running Williams opportunity though, even if it didn't pan out quite as many of us rather fancifully hoped when they led off the line.

GravelBen

15,683 posts

230 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Should rename this to 'F1 on monday' seeing as you've forgotten about all the other motorsport. wink

jimmsy

422 posts

127 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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GravelBen said:
Should rename this to 'F1 on monday' seeing as you've forgotten about all the other motorsport. wink
Should be 'Hamilton love-in on Monday'.

freedman

5,407 posts

207 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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the outstanding "was it local knowledge" call to pit just at the right moment.

H0w about plain good luck?

He was being caught hand over fist by Rosberg and was on the radio bemoaning his tyres and the need to pit,
the race was gone at that moment, but as he hit the pit lane the heavens opened, he took inters and Rosberg was stranded 10 seconds off the pace for a lap on slicks

Nothing to do with outstanding local knowledge at all

RobGT81

5,229 posts

186 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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There was F1 at the weekend?

FIA Masters was much better + louder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rknSOb1LG0A

FartKong

897 posts

183 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Did I watch a different race from everyone else? It was a boring race. Ok Williams got off to a good start and there was a little rain but apart from that it was a procession from start to finish!
If the F1 reporters are saying this was a thriller then perhaps they need to step away from F1 for a while and go watch some other forms of motorsport then come back to F1 and see how boring it actually is.

oversteerer

104 posts

161 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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jason61c said:
Its a shame that lewis will 'skew' the f1 history books by seeming to be better than he is, simply because the current F1 grid is the most uncompetitive in history(car wise), a two horse race, the complete opposite of what Rossi is doing in MotoGP, where its the most competitive its ever been(bikes and riders).
Couldn't the same be said about two very successful German drivers?

VladD

7,854 posts

265 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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oversteerer said:
jason61c said:
Its a shame that lewis will 'skew' the f1 history books by seeming to be better than he is, simply because the current F1 grid is the most uncompetitive in history(car wise), a two horse race, the complete opposite of what Rossi is doing in MotoGP, where its the most competitive its ever been(bikes and riders).
Couldn't the same be said about two very successful German drivers?
Indeed, and one of the said Germans used to get given wins by his team mates, which definitely skews the history books.

DaveR

1,209 posts

284 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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oversteerer said:
Couldn't the same be said about two very successful German drivers?
No.

Schumacher's early championships were characterised by him ringing the neck of an under performing car an gettig results way above its actual abilities. By the time he was winning in what wa arguably a very good car it was very good partly because he'd played a massive role over years in its development. None of that is true for Hamilton.

VladD

7,854 posts

265 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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DaveR said:
oversteerer said:
Couldn't the same be said about two very successful German drivers?
No.

Schumacher's early championships were characterised by him ringing the neck of an under performing car an gettig results way above its actual abilities. By the time he was winning in what wa arguably a very good car it was very good partly because he'd played a massive role over years in its development. None of that is true for Hamilton.
...and Vettel?

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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oversteerer said:
Couldn't the same be said about two very successful German drivers?
No, his cars so much better than the field. Its a very hollow world championship.

Ahonen

5,016 posts

279 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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DaveR said:
No.

Schumacher's early championships were characterised by him ringing the neck of an under performing car an gettig results way above its actual abilities. By the time he was winning in what wa arguably a very good car it was very good partly because he'd played a massive role over years in its development. None of that is true for Hamilton.
Both Benettons were very good cars. The '94 car had the, er, 'disabled' TC and the '95 had the Renault engine. Compare that to what Hakkinen was driving at the time and you'll see the McLaren was nowhere - awful Peugeit engine in a reasonable chassis in '94, followed by the ugliest McLaren in history in '95 that had pretty wayward handling.

Later in his career the Bridgestone tyres were all designed for Schumacher and so other drivers had to adapt their driving styles to tyres that he developed.

oversteerer

104 posts

161 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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jason61c said:
No, his cars so much better than the field. Its a very hollow world championship.
what about 2011-2014?

Alex Langheck

835 posts

129 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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FartKong said:
Did I watch a different race from everyone else? It was a boring race. Ok Williams got off to a good start and there was a little rain but apart from that it was a procession from start to finish!
If the F1 reporters are saying this was a thriller then perhaps they need to step away from F1 for a while and go watch some other forms of motorsport then come back to F1 and see how boring it actually is.
A lot of the F1 press are not really proper motorsport journalists; F1 is all they know, having done other sports reporting, rather than junior formula/ other categories. So its not a surprise if they think it was a thriller - it was entertaining, but no more.

jason61c

5,978 posts

174 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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oversteerer said:
what about 2011-2014?
2011 was fair.

2014 wins/championship, 2015 wins etc are hollow. I don't know people could argue otherwise when there's only one driver/car to beat?

pSynrg

238 posts

182 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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jason61c said:
2011 was fair.

2014 wins/championship, 2015 wins etc are hollow. I don't know people could argue otherwise when there's only one driver/car to beat?
Yeah, just like that rubbish Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost, both flattered by the brilliance of the McLaren MP4. Such overrated drivers! Senna so lucked into his 3 championships!