intermediate trackdayer vs jenny tinmouth...

intermediate trackdayer vs jenny tinmouth...

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Tim85

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1,742 posts

134 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I know the title will get the anger juices flowing.
The articles neither here nor there but the telemetry is pretty interesting to have a peruse.

It just shows how much of a world of difference there is.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2015/july/think...

SAS Tom

3,398 posts

173 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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That would be fine if she was racing with a grid of intermediate trackday riders but she isn't.

Tim85

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1,742 posts

134 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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this isnt a shes slow shes at the back blah blah blah, it could of been any bsb rider for all i care. Its just intresting to me to see the graphs back to back. Especially the 100% throttle one. Does the average inters rider honestly never open the throttle 100%. Do i? i think i do, im pretty sure i do... who knows. Its also interesting that she carries less corner speed than the average inters rider.

It might not interest any of you at all but i find it worth a gander.

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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SAS Tom said:
That would be fine if she was racing with a grid of intermediate trackday riders but she isn't.
Indeed, the article makes mention of her relatively poor performance in the BSB, I'd rather see telemetry data between her and the other racers. Perhaps that'd explain why she is a backmarker in the series. Whilst comparing her data to that of an intermediate group rider is interesting, I don't think it's a particularly insightful comparison.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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The point of the article is to show all the armchair riders just how much harder a backmarker in BSB is riding compared to them.

Ironically all it's done is being out the exact comments that it's designed to silence.

A backmarker's qualifying time at Assen in BSB would be around 5 seconds off pole in MotoGP.

Edited by LoonR1 on Tuesday 7th July 14:59

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Be interesting to see the brake and throttle traces on the same timeline.

George29

14,706 posts

163 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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LoonR1 said:
The point of the article is to show all the armchair riders just how much harder a backmarker in BSB is riding compared to them.

Ironically all it's done is being out the exact comments that it's designed to silence.

A backmarker's qualifying time at Assen in BSB would be around 5 seconds off pole in MotoGP.

Edited by LoonR1 on Tuesday 7th July 14:59
Shakey Byrne's time last year was roughly 5 seconds off Rossi's pole this year. A back marker would be a couple of seconds back from him, so not that close really.

We still on for our bet about Jenny? biggrin

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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LoonR1 said:
The point of the article is to show all the armchair riders just how much harder a backmarker in BSB is riding compared to them.

Ironically all it's done is being out the exact comments that it's designed to silence.
Well said.


curlie467

7,650 posts

200 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Prof Prolapse said:
LoonR1 said:
The point of the article is to show all the armchair riders just how much harder a backmarker in BSB is riding compared to them.

Ironically all it's done is being out the exact comments that it's designed to silence.
Well said.
Agreed, it's most likely to shut up all the billy big bks wkers who think they could do better with that kind of machinery.

I still maintain that she won't get a point this year which is sad but it really just highlights how competitive BSB is at the moment (ignoring Shakey).
She is rapid, end of, we all know some quick guys littered around that should be racing etc etc but she would most likely hand it to nearly all of them.

What she says is interesting too, not only the full throttle bits but the braking and almost gung ho style of just getting it around the corner anyway possible almost, the braking and throttle parts are what matter.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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George29 said:
Shakey Byrne's time last year was roughly 5 seconds off Rossi's pole this year. A back marker would be a couple of seconds back from him, so not that close really.

We still on for our bet about Jenny? biggrin
We're still on. I think I underestimated the depth of the field this year!

I was quoting Lee Costello, he's just chucked that up on his page amd started a bit of a discussion amongst those of us who've ridden on track and some of the Billy Bullstters. Having just done two days at Cadwell, it's funny to watch the amount of people who simply sit on the seat and sort of lean, but sort of bounce their upper body as they do it, as if they're mimicking Lorenzo.

It's weird to watch and yet the conversations in the clubhouse are of how close they were and the laptimes they're setting, when they're probably 30-40 seconds away from a decent fast group pace.

f1nn

2,692 posts

191 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Makes for interesting reading.

I've been reading people's opinions on Jenny Tinmouth and some just beggar belief.


gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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So all the bks about keeping corner entry speed is just that - you should just buy an RR and point and squirt like a pro?



wink

hebegb

1,523 posts

146 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
So all the bks about keeping corner entry speed is just that - you should just buy an RR and point and squirt like a pro?



wink
Yep. Pretty much that - everybody should , it really is that easy .......times will just come "crashing " down .... I reckon ...again, very interesting how people interpret things....I think relativity is the key here, oh that and time and effort , many years of it at the sharp end , many many crashes with broken bones aplenty, as everybody up at her level and those who compare themselves to that level can no doubt attest to .
Also , intricacies come into play when getting anywhere remotely close to that level - accuracy in every detail - not wanting to berate you but look how easy it is to mistake corner speed for your interpretation " corner entry".....and so on and so on .... Remember - if you've got a big axe, you'll need a big room to swing it in ....
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LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
So all the bks about keeping corner entry speed is just that - you should just buy an RR and point and squirt like a pro?



wink
If you've ever seen them braking close up before a corner you'll see how difficult that is. At Oulton they are changing up and still on full throttle where I start braking on the way into Hizzys. It's amazing to watch, especially at a circuit where you've ridden yourself. The speed with which they are on full throttle too, not just on the throttle is amazing.

LiquidGnome

551 posts

120 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I think that throttle map shows the difference very well...it's either 100% or nothing! Can't imagine how hard that is.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I'd be interested to see a telemetry comparison between Tinmouth or any BSB backmarker (or front runner) against one of the elite frontrunners of Moto GP, where the comparison becomes fast against nigh superhuman.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Mastodon2 said:
I'd be interested to see a telemetry comparison between Tinmouth or any BSB backmarker (or front runner) against one of the elite frontrunners of Moto GP, where the comparison becomes fast against nigh superhuman.
It won't work, as they're completely different bikes.

srob

11,566 posts

237 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I do think it's funny how some people do a handful of track days and all of a sudden they're experts.

She may be towards the back of a BSB grid, but that's a mile in front of (and dedicated than) all but the very fastest amateurs.

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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You both know I'm taking the mick. I can't get my head around how you can brake that hard to lift the rear wheel but not low side, especially somewhere quite bumpy like Oulton.

Does anyone have any times for a single track that compare trackday rider to BSB, WSBK and MotoGP?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Not sure if they all use the sa,e setup for Silverstone. If not, look up Donington. They all used the same circuit until MotoGP left about 5 years ago.