Capri GTT... V10, 550bhp
Discussion
andygtt said:
Sorry Mrs GTT is the sister, I was already friends with her sister and that's how we met... I'm also fortunate that she is much cleverer than me and a local GP so can fix the inevitable injuries, like the time I got a 1cm carbon shard in my nuckle lol
Regarding the Capri, I now have a plan.
Basically the Capri will be no more in DVLA's eyes as I had planned at least 3 mods that mean the monocoque is no longer standard....however I have new quarter panels, wings and roof, nearly a brand new entire body... I also have the complete M5.
So under DVLA rules I CAN make a new chassis for the M5 as it will be a donor car and after IVA I can apply for an age related plate based on the M5... The condition I must meet is that 2 major components from the donor must be used.... Well I'm using the engine and box, and will now use the diff... That's 3 components. I might also use the axles, steering etc etc as I no longer need to restrict myself to ford.
This is a better plan than my original so I am very pleased now, time for a celebratory meal out and some beers :-)
That sounds like a very satisfactory outcome.Regarding the Capri, I now have a plan.
Basically the Capri will be no more in DVLA's eyes as I had planned at least 3 mods that mean the monocoque is no longer standard....however I have new quarter panels, wings and roof, nearly a brand new entire body... I also have the complete M5.
So under DVLA rules I CAN make a new chassis for the M5 as it will be a donor car and after IVA I can apply for an age related plate based on the M5... The condition I must meet is that 2 major components from the donor must be used.... Well I'm using the engine and box, and will now use the diff... That's 3 components. I might also use the axles, steering etc etc as I no longer need to restrict myself to ford.
This is a better plan than my original so I am very pleased now, time for a celebratory meal out and some beers :-)
Could you use the M5's suspension and steering components mated to a bespoke tubular chassis? If the pick up points for the subframes and suspension mounts are the same that could make things much easier?
I'm still reaching if the M5 suspension could work, the M5 is 50mm wider rear arch to arch than the Capri with the xpack, Im now going to retain the M5s diff so it would be ideal to keep the drive shafts etc.
I'm also toying with the idea of using new bmw m3 suspension as they are same width as the Capri and thus I would have good geometry and hopefully the m5 stuff would bolt up to the m3. I'm at the start of this research so nothing firm decided yet.
I'm also toying with the idea of using new bmw m3 suspension as they are same width as the Capri and thus I would have good geometry and hopefully the m5 stuff would bolt up to the m3. I'm at the start of this research so nothing firm decided yet.
grkify said:
I think that once a vehicle is scrapped the plate is then no longer usable if it was the original for the car.
You can save a plate before you scrap a car:https://www.gov.uk/scrapped-and-written-off-vehicl...
Pretty sure you can also take a plate off any car and make it a "personalised" one. My friend has the plate from his Dad's old merc which he put on retention and transferred to his Golf GTI.
Edited by _dobbo_ on Thursday 23 July 14:49
My M5 has the plate M500 GTT... my noble is M700 GTT and I have M800 GTT on retention... all of them could be used on the car if I use the M5 as the donor for the project.
Ironically I had struggled to find a GTT plate for the capri's age, so this is another positive.... the only negative is that the emissions for the 'Capri' will be as per a 2005 car, but the M5 passes now anyhow so it won't be an issue at all.
Ironically I had struggled to find a GTT plate for the capri's age, so this is another positive.... the only negative is that the emissions for the 'Capri' will be as per a 2005 car, but the M5 passes now anyhow so it won't be an issue at all.
warsteiner///M3 said:
I must of missed where this became overly complicated as regards to dvla issues.....
but, why can't this be 'just' an engine swap..?
It can't be just an engine swap because it's going to need a complete upgrade end to end and a lot of monococque changes. As far as the DVLA is concerned that makes it a "radically altered vehicle", and means it will end up on a Q plate. That's not desirable but the other route to take is a BMW M5 special that happens to use a lot of Capri panels. but, why can't this be 'just' an engine swap..?
andygtt said:
I'm still reaching if the M5 suspension could work, the M5 is 50mm wider rear arch to arch than the Capri with the xpack, Im now going to retain the M5s diff so it would be ideal to keep the drive shafts etc.
I'm also toying with the idea of using new bmw m3 suspension as they are same width as the Capri and thus I would have good geometry and hopefully the m5 stuff would bolt up to the m3. I'm at the start of this research so nothing firm decided yet.
Great project there, look forward to the build pics.I'm also toying with the idea of using new bmw m3 suspension as they are same width as the Capri and thus I would have good geometry and hopefully the m5 stuff would bolt up to the m3. I'm at the start of this research so nothing firm decided yet.
I'm taking a similar route with my race Capri, looking at the same sort of power but from a 5.0 V8 32V Cobra on 8x TB's (in and running just needs mapping now), also have 10x18" wheels with a BMW bolt pattern, as I have all the running gear front and rear from an E90 M3 to put on, didn't fancy a big heavy Mustang axle.
Will be modifying the rear subframe and welding to the shell, at the front I will make up some rose jointed tca's and compression struts to take the M3 legs.
The width of the M3 falls between the Capri and the M5, let me know if you need any dimensions.
QuadCamCapri said:
andygtt said:
I'm still reaching if the M5 suspension could work, the M5 is 50mm wider rear arch to arch than the Capri with the xpack, Im now going to retain the M5s diff so it would be ideal to keep the drive shafts etc.
I'm also toying with the idea of using new bmw m3 suspension as they are same width as the Capri and thus I would have good geometry and hopefully the m5 stuff would bolt up to the m3. I'm at the start of this research so nothing firm decided yet.
Great project there, look forward to the build pics.I'm also toying with the idea of using new bmw m3 suspension as they are same width as the Capri and thus I would have good geometry and hopefully the m5 stuff would bolt up to the m3. I'm at the start of this research so nothing firm decided yet.
I'm taking a similar route with my race Capri, looking at the same sort of power but from a 5.0 V8 32V Cobra on 8x TB's (in and running just needs mapping now), also have 10x18" wheels with a BMW bolt pattern, as I have all the running gear front and rear from an E90 M3 to put on, didn't fancy a big heavy Mustang axle.
Will be modifying the rear subframe and welding to the shell, at the front I will make up some rose jointed tca's and compression struts to take the M3 legs.
The width of the M3 falls between the Capri and the M5, let me know if you need any dimensions.
Andy Canam, you have seen this haven't you?
http://www.carbuildindex.com/15931/body-swap-1985-...
Ryan
http://www.carbuildindex.com/15931/body-swap-1985-...
Ryan
It will be as much of a Capri as the zackspeed monsters.
So I got the car in the garage and spend a few hrs working on the stance, this meant cutting the arches out and fitting wheel spacers, then cutting the front springs (scrap anyhow) till it sat on the wheels how I wanted. I have decided these wheels really suit the Capri so they are being donated by my noble and I will have to buy another spare set... Guess it will up make sense to have the same wheels and offsets on both my toys :-)
These are 9x18 front and 10x18 rear.
I've been very surprised how solid the car is, even the inner arches were solid with no signs of rust.... There was rust amount the sunroof drain at the front sill and I have bought repair panels for this area so will fix it even if I'm not using this shell.
I also welded up the sunroof and started filling it to get it flat ready for me to take my moulds.
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So I got the car in the garage and spend a few hrs working on the stance, this meant cutting the arches out and fitting wheel spacers, then cutting the front springs (scrap anyhow) till it sat on the wheels how I wanted. I have decided these wheels really suit the Capri so they are being donated by my noble and I will have to buy another spare set... Guess it will up make sense to have the same wheels and offsets on both my toys :-)
These are 9x18 front and 10x18 rear.
I've been very surprised how solid the car is, even the inner arches were solid with no signs of rust.... There was rust amount the sunroof drain at the front sill and I have bought repair panels for this area so will fix it even if I'm not using this shell.
I also welded up the sunroof and started filling it to get it flat ready for me to take my moulds.
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Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 27th March 12:30
andygtt said:
So I now need to decide between the 2 options....
1. downgrade my spec and retain the original cars ID.
2. upgrade the spec and go for a brand new car.
Option 3. Delete this thread, do whatever you want to the Capri and you'll never have to worry about it all. Any typical MOT tester is going to love it, not want to report it.1. downgrade my spec and retain the original cars ID.
2. upgrade the spec and go for a brand new car.
gareth_r said:
It's unfortunate that a Q plate has the stigma of "badly designed and assembled kit car".
I don't think this is the case now - at least a 'Q' shows that it has gone through the inspection process and the car isn't lurking around on a standard logbook.I always tell people that the 'Q' stands for Quality inspected
I don't want a Q purely as I want a personal plate and the Q plate your issued with stays with the car and can't be changed even for another Q plate.
So I'm at the stage were I need to decide on the stance of the car so I can finalise the arches.... For that I need the engine is no I can get the car as low as possible without the engine hitting the bonnet or hanging under the chassis. So I have removed the V10 from the M5 and it's now residing next to the Capri. Today's job will be to get it in the engine bay but it looks like the stance I currently have it at will work.
It is a big engine, but everything is packaged within the engines dimensions so it's a like a box with everything bolted on.
I have also decided that the car will be double wishbone suspension of my own design, I'm in the process of sourcing the uprights and designing the wishbones and pickups etc
So I'm at the stage were I need to decide on the stance of the car so I can finalise the arches.... For that I need the engine is no I can get the car as low as possible without the engine hitting the bonnet or hanging under the chassis. So I have removed the V10 from the M5 and it's now residing next to the Capri. Today's job will be to get it in the engine bay but it looks like the stance I currently have it at will work.
It is a big engine, but everything is packaged within the engines dimensions so it's a like a box with everything bolted on.
I have also decided that the car will be double wishbone suspension of my own design, I'm in the process of sourcing the uprights and designing the wishbones and pickups etc
Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 27th March 12:35
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