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There won't be a video-equipped fly on the wall of the Shadow Cabinet meeting later today but we may get details from one of the many disgruntled non-Corbynite members. Not old flame Diane Abbott for sure - her talking head was telling TV cameras yesterday that Corbyn appoints the Shadow Cabinet not vice versa. Genius at work.
JC never wanted to be leader in the 1st place. I always thought he'd be gone by xmas.
He'll use this episode to bow out, leaving the party in tatters but his principles intact. Then he'll go back to what he does best, being an awkward sod (and the Labour party conscience) on the back benches. Leaving the way clear for Hillary Benn.
He'll use this episode to bow out, leaving the party in tatters but his principles intact. Then he'll go back to what he does best, being an awkward sod (and the Labour party conscience) on the back benches. Leaving the way clear for Hillary Benn.
PositronicRay said:
JC never wanted to be leader in the 1st place. I always thought he'd be gone by xmas.
He'll use this episode to bow out, leaving the party in tatters but his principles intact. Then he'll go back to what he does best, being an awkward sod (and the Labour party conscience) on the back benches. Leaving the way clear for Hillary Benn.
Possibly, but then again...He'll use this episode to bow out, leaving the party in tatters but his principles intact. Then he'll go back to what he does best, being an awkward sod (and the Labour party conscience) on the back benches. Leaving the way clear for Hillary Benn.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-07-22/jeremy-c...
See vid. "Jeremy Corbyn tonight said he would 'of course' like to become Prime Minister, as Labour leadership candidates debated on LBC radio."
I am slowly coming around to the view that the Labour Party won't stage a major recovery because it is now supported by people who either have naive student politics or who are uninformed but vote on the basis of supposed tribal allegiance and/or advantage, in much the same way that the proverbial Telegraph reader instinctively favours a blue style of Tory. People like me - educated metro soft left social democracy types, are almost universally* appalled by Corbyn and all that he stands for, but are also uninterested in the unprincipled mishmash that is Libdemism.
I am also more and more of the opinion that the Cameron and Osborne version of Conservatism really is much closer to the Blairite version of Labour than I had previously thought. Thus many of the well trodden observations about the fight for the centre seem to be right. There are still things about the Tory Government that I deplore - I think that people like Gove and Grayling and IDS have some wrong headed ideas about how to deal with societal problems including welfarism, education and the administration of justice; but I am finding it hard to disagree with much of the core stuff that Cameron and Osborne put together. I do deplore the general authoritarian slant of the Government, but all recent Governments have been authoritarian. Foreign policy is also SNAFU, if not FUBAR, but that too has been the case for years.
* I base this not at all sweeping generalisation on highly scientific surveys conducted by moaning and groaning with fellow metro lefties over the Chateau Malescot St Exupery at Balthazar.
I am also more and more of the opinion that the Cameron and Osborne version of Conservatism really is much closer to the Blairite version of Labour than I had previously thought. Thus many of the well trodden observations about the fight for the centre seem to be right. There are still things about the Tory Government that I deplore - I think that people like Gove and Grayling and IDS have some wrong headed ideas about how to deal with societal problems including welfarism, education and the administration of justice; but I am finding it hard to disagree with much of the core stuff that Cameron and Osborne put together. I do deplore the general authoritarian slant of the Government, but all recent Governments have been authoritarian. Foreign policy is also SNAFU, if not FUBAR, but that too has been the case for years.
* I base this not at all sweeping generalisation on highly scientific surveys conducted by moaning and groaning with fellow metro lefties over the Chateau Malescot St Exupery at Balthazar.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th November 08:01
I can't see him going yet, and I don't think there is a method to get him out unless he resigns. He won't resign because he has a massive party mandate. The more realistic scenario is he faces mass cabinet resignations, then there'll be a week of clusterfking where he tries to cling on (because he can't do anything properly) and then he'll resign as no-one will want to join his cabinet.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
jmorgan said:
turbobloke said:
Some members of his Shadow Cabinet may resign after their meeting today.
Think this will be the acid test of the intent of the nay sayers. Somehow I think they will not but then I have an edible hat just in case.Breadvan72 said:
The problem is that the tosspot would, IIRC, be entitled to stand for re election if ousted as leader, and the same idiots (and Tories with three quid) that voted the tt in last time would vote him in again. Party split possible.
Party split highly likely. Corbyn & Mao-Donnell will stay, anyone with any intelligence / common sense will quit and form something more rational, much as the 'gang of 4' did in the 80s.DavidJG said:
Breadvan72 said:
The problem is that the tosspot would, IIRC, be entitled to stand for re election if ousted as leader, and the same idiots (and Tories with three quid) that voted the tt in last time would vote him in again. Party split possible.
Party split highly likely. Corbyn & Mao-Donnell will stay, anyone with any intelligence / common sense will quit and form something more rational, much as the 'gang of 4' did in the 80s.Cobnapint said:
It's just a matter of time. Most Labour MPs (apart from Abbotpotamus) have given up trying to defend him during interviews. It's twisting their guts, you can see it in their faces.
Oh I agree, but too soon I think and the squirming and avoiding questions will be immense.Poor old Corby's not having a good time of it, no wonder though, he's been an utter disaster. Despite all his failures, I understand he still enjoys support from the grass roots labour supporters.
The only way they can become electable is to select another Blairite candidate but someone not tarnished by all their past failures.
It's quite a phenomenon, we're quite lucky to be watching it really.
The only way they can become electable is to select another Blairite candidate but someone not tarnished by all their past failures.
It's quite a phenomenon, we're quite lucky to be watching it really.
turbobloke said:
PositronicRay said:
JC never wanted to be leader in the 1st place. I always thought he'd be gone by xmas.
He'll use this episode to bow out, leaving the party in tatters but his principles intact. Then he'll go back to what he does best, being an awkward sod (and the Labour party conscience) on the back benches. Leaving the way clear for Hillary Benn.
Possibly, but then again...He'll use this episode to bow out, leaving the party in tatters but his principles intact. Then he'll go back to what he does best, being an awkward sod (and the Labour party conscience) on the back benches. Leaving the way clear for Hillary Benn.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-07-22/jeremy-c...
See vid. "Jeremy Corbyn tonight said he would 'of course' like to become Prime Minister, as Labour leadership candidates debated on LBC radio."
He was flattered to be pushed to the fore, the reality is sinking in.
He needs to climb down whilst saving face and keeping his principles intact.
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