Anticipating the next rising classic stars...

Anticipating the next rising classic stars...

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B.J.W

5,782 posts

214 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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james_gt3rs said:
I think the Porsche 911 996 will eventually go up in value... I'm not brave enough to buy a cheap one though!
They already are....,

Turbo prices have been on the up for a while. The C4S is the one to watch now. You can still find a private sale bargain in the classifieds (my friend paid £13,500 for his), but it will not be long before the low mileage cherished cars will be north of 20k...

tibbles stryker

3 posts

120 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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I know it's just a little late but vx220's have started a dramatic rise, 2 years ago a ropey na was as little as 5k now they are jumping up in value. Turbo's can now for a minter see north of 16k, getting a rare car now.

Smithers Jones

104 posts

185 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Mk1 Audi TT
Saab 900 Turbo
Mk2 Golf Gti or G60 variant
Rover 75 V8... Maybe?
Lotus Elise / Exige Series 1
Clio 172 Cup / 182 Trophy



iSore

4,011 posts

143 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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waynedear said:
I don't think so, I think that people's thoughts on the cars were based on the common belief that they were all rusty, unreliable cars, usually spouted by people that had never owned them, of course there are badly maintained ones about.
I have had 7 GTV's and 6 155's, all have handled and performed well, I have occasionally wanted 'a bit more' but never been disappointed.
GTV prices are on the up for good ones, same as 155's..... Get them quick folks
Sadly, the 155 will never be a classic or valuable. They weren't bad cars (very good in some areas), and the later wide body ones at least handled okay. But they were hammered by the press and were never regarded as being particularly brilliant, unlike the 156 that followed it or the 75 before and neither of those are valuable classics either - well, maybe a mint GTA or a 3.0 75 Veloce. It was only ever a stop gap car, and one they could have executed a lot better. The 155 V6 was nice enough until you got blown away by a 328i.

They sold very few in the UK and most were binned 10 or more years ago. The only one that will be worth serious coins will be the Q4 - now that was a motor.

I used to sell them new btw. I regarded them as being essentially a very good car - rustproof, strong mechanicals but lots of detail electrical niggles and the chassis was just crap on the narrow body ones. It's nice to see one occasionally.

waynedear

2,157 posts

166 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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My 93 skinny 8v handles very well, electric seats, mirrors, sunroof, windows all work fine as do the whole cars electrics, well apart from the climate control, in all fairness that probably would if the previous owner had not removed the compressor.
Prices for good ones are starting to rise.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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tibbles stryker said:
I know it's just a little late but vx220's have started a dramatic rise, 2 years ago a ropey na was as little as 5k now they are jumping up in value. Turbo's can now for a minter see north of 16k, getting a rare car now.
Can you qualify this - you say the Turbo getting a rare car now how many were produced originally for the UK v how many are SORN+Still on the road remainder clearly written off.


I'd say it wasn't a particularly big seller in the first place if so it's been a rare car even when on sale so nothing has really changed.

tibbles stryker

3 posts

120 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Welshbeef said:
Can you qualify this - you say the Turbo getting a rare car now how many were produced originally for the UK v how many are SORN+Still on the road remainder clearly written off.


I'd say it wasn't a particularly big seller in the first place if so it's been a rare car even when on sale so nothing has really changed.
I suppose you've already answered that one, so being a rare a car it's bound to be a future classic

iSore

4,011 posts

143 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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B.J.W said:
They already are....,

Turbo prices have been on the up for a while. The C4S is the one to watch now. You can still find a private sale bargain in the classifieds (my friend paid £13,500 for his), but it will not be long before the low mileage cherished cars will be north of 20k...
But why would anybody want one over the still depreciating 997? It's the first water cooled 911 with funny headlamps and a less than glowing reputation for engine trouble.


You'll be telling me P38 Range Rovers are going up in value next.

mph

2,316 posts

281 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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iSore said:
But why would anybody want one over the still depreciating 997? It's the first water cooled 911 with funny headlamps and a less than glowing reputation for engine trouble.


You'll be telling me P38 Range Rovers are going up in value next.
996 Turbo prices are going up. They have a different engine to the NA 996 and don't suffer engine problems.

The standard 996 values are held back by the engine reliability risks but these can be fixed and I dare say the standard 996 will rise in value.



rossub

4,400 posts

189 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Right on cue. Think I should start investing in my knowledge smile

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/nissan/sky...

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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tibbles stryker said:
I suppose you've already answered that one, so being a rare a car it's bound to be a future classic
Absolutely not.
Could have been a sales flop a generally bad car or specifically limited number produced (but that could be deliberate as they know it will only sell in kid numbers anyway).


A classic is whatever you want it to be - it's whatever brings you joy.
I bought my old C5 RS6 as its a car I'd always wanted I ran it for a year and lived the dream I'll not forget the great drives in it. Did I make any money on it - nope, did it cost more than my previous cars (net net a touch more but not that much). I didn't buy it for any appreciation in value instead enjoyment.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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SAAB 900 Turbo and Convertible
Porsche 944 Turbo
Mercedes C124
Mercedes W129
Alfa GTV (RWD)
Alfa 75
Renault Alpine GTA
Citroen CX Turbo


Skylinecrazy

13,986 posts

193 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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rossub said:
Right on cue. Think I should start investing in my knowledge smile

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/nissan/sky...
I like this article hehe

em177

3,127 posts

163 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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tibbles stryker said:
Welshbeef said:
Can you qualify this - you say the Turbo getting a rare car now how many were produced originally for the UK v how many are SORN+Still on the road remainder clearly written off.


I'd say it wasn't a particularly big seller in the first place if so it's been a rare car even when on sale so nothing has really changed.
I suppose you've already answered that one, so being a rare a car it's bound to be a future classic
VX220 and Elise are getting rarer because so many are being exported into mainland Europe.

andybu

293 posts

207 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Two candidates come to mind. One is more practical than the other..

1) Alfasud. What a wonderful drive that was. Before Alfasud I never realized any FWD car could handle that well. 99% of them in the UK must have rusted away by now, but if do you ever find a good one - buy it. Or call me first..

2) E39 generation BMW 530i Touring. My son has one, it took 4 months to source and he's now the second owner. Has all the history from owner number 1, too. Sole car, family car and lives on a street in East London. Condition:- nice, but not concours. He's already getting notes left on the windscreen saying "If you ever want to sell - call this number". Which he has no intention of doing.

iSore

4,011 posts

143 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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andybu said:
Two candidates come to mind. One is more practical than the other..

1) Alfasud. What a wonderful drive that was. Before Alfasud I never realized any FWD car could handle that well. 99% of them in the UK must have rusted away by now, but if do you ever find a good one - buy it. Or call me first..

2) E39 generation BMW 530i Touring. My son has one, it took 4 months to source and he's now the second owner. Has all the history from owner number 1, too. Sole car, family car and lives on a street in East London. Condition:- nice, but not concours. He's already getting notes left on the windscreen saying "If you ever want to sell - call this number". Which he has no intention of doing.
1. Maybe - but there are almost none left.

2. I doubt it - just an old BMW estate car.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

197 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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andybu said:
Two candidates come to mind. One is more practical than the other..

1) Alfasud. What a wonderful drive that was. Before Alfasud I never realized any FWD car could handle that well. 99% of them in the UK must have rusted away by now, but if do you ever find a good one - buy it. Or call me first..

2) E39 generation BMW 530i Touring. My son has one, it took 4 months to source and he's now the second owner. Has all the history from owner number 1, too. Sole car, family car and lives on a street in East London. Condition:- nice, but not concours. He's already getting notes left on the windscreen saying "If you ever want to sell - call this number". Which he has no intention of doing.
e39 530i touring. What is special about that car to turn it into a classic? The E39 M5 isn't rising in value yet is much more likely to become a classic than a not top of the range non M car model.

Robert Elise

956 posts

144 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Skylinecrazy said:
rossub said:
Right on cue. Think I should start investing in my knowledge smile

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/nissan/sky...
I like this article hehe
the DeMuro factor?

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Muzzer79 said:
Mondeo has no 'halo' model like a Cosworth or RS to make it desirable. No petrol-head ever dreamed of owning a Mondeo at 12 years old like they did a Mexico/RS Turbo/Twin Cam/Cosworth

Late 90's onwards Fords, with the possible exception of Focus RS models, aren't really that classic fodder, IMO.

All Cosworths are already there for decent stuff.
Racing Puma maybe? Apart from that not much else.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

136 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Welshbeef said:
928 any version
Earliest ones look a bit cack now. Non S models aren't quick and manual over auto, shirley?