The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
Fittster said:
tuscaneer said:
it does make you wonder how he has stayed as fresh as he has
Hmmm, how cynical should we be in our thinking about that?the man hasn't lost more than the odd round in 11 years. his freshness is probably got far more to do with hard work, dedication and an uncanny ability to keep his chin out of harms way than any thinly veiled juicing allegations like those from fury and pulev
Maintaining a good level of conditioning day in day out plays a large part of this. Dropping weight with mega intense prep is harsh on the body. Klitschko doesn't balloon up and down, he stays pretty much bang on all year. Even Lewis's weight went up and down. Fury does the same.. It all adds up. One guy is prepping by refining technique against similar styled sparring opponents the other guy is having to hone technique while dropping about 5 stone!
I watched Klitschko vs Jennings the other day and although people say klitsckos on the slide etc he still looked fast for his size moving in and out and chasing Jennings down, what stood out was Jennings had a plan and stuck to it. He could take a shot and get on the inside, and move fast. Fury won't be able to do that. He simply can't due to his size. I anticipate him tiring earlyish, at which point he'll start naturally leaning forward due to his build at which point he'll get caught.
I watched Klitschko vs Jennings the other day and although people say klitsckos on the slide etc he still looked fast for his size moving in and out and chasing Jennings down, what stood out was Jennings had a plan and stuck to it. He could take a shot and get on the inside, and move fast. Fury won't be able to do that. He simply can't due to his size. I anticipate him tiring earlyish, at which point he'll start naturally leaning forward due to his build at which point he'll get caught.
on the fury special i watched last night the sparring that was being filmed( where his dad was flipping out) i was alarmed with the ease he seemed to be getting hit. he was getting it straight down the pipe and looked really vulnerable when shifting between orthodox and southpaw.
i think in his head he's this herol graham type of slickster which in reality he's not.
i can see him catching jabs in the face as he's transitioning.wlad has only got to then chuck that left hook once while tyson's guard is down and it's good night nurse!
i think in his head he's this herol graham type of slickster which in reality he's not.
i can see him catching jabs in the face as he's transitioning.wlad has only got to then chuck that left hook once while tyson's guard is down and it's good night nurse!
tuscaneer said:
on the fury special i watched last night the sparring that was being filmed( where his dad was flipping out) i was alarmed with the ease he seemed to be getting hit. he was getting it straight down the pipe and looked really vulnerable when shifting between orthodox and southpaw.
i think in his head he's this herol graham type of slickster which in reality he's not.
i can see him catching jabs in the face as he's transitioning.wlad has only got to then chuck that left hook once while tyson's guard is down and it's good night nurse!
He's going to leeeean back, I saw him telling Johnny Nelson.i think in his head he's this herol graham type of slickster which in reality he's not.
i can see him catching jabs in the face as he's transitioning.wlad has only got to then chuck that left hook once while tyson's guard is down and it's good night nurse!
tuscaneer said:
Fittster said:
tuscaneer said:
it does make you wonder how he has stayed as fresh as he has
Hmmm, how cynical should we be in our thinking about that?the man hasn't lost more than the odd round in 11 years. his freshness is probably got far more to do with hard work, dedication and an uncanny ability to keep his chin out of harms way than any thinly veiled juicing allegations like those from fury and pulev
Does anyone know who else but Hughie is on the undercard? Struggling to find details. Not sure if I want to part £17 to watch 8-9 rounds of Tyson being taught a lesson. Would be nice to have another decent fight or 2 to watch before.
FredClogs said:
He's going to leeeean back, I saw him telling Johnny Nelson.
ha! yeah i liked that bit, the only thing he hasn't thought of is foot pressure and angles. you can leanback all you want but if the other guys comes round you then pivots clockwise you're off balance for a straight right down the pipe.....oh dear!RJB_666 said:
He doesn't seem to be showing signs of juicing of GH really. The fact that he doesn't fluctuate his weight and condition much between fights will alwasy help take some stress out of it. With his calculated defense he doesn't take a lot of punches. Same way Mayweather has stayed at the top of the game for so long.
Does anyone know who else but Hughie is on the undercard? Struggling to find details. Not sure if I want to part £17 to watch 8-9 rounds of Tyson being taught a lesson. Would be nice to have another decent fight or 2 to watch before.
eddie was trying to get callum smith out AGAIN!!....given he only got 2 minutes work a couple of weeks ago.....not yet confirmed howeverDoes anyone know who else but Hughie is on the undercard? Struggling to find details. Not sure if I want to part £17 to watch 8-9 rounds of Tyson being taught a lesson. Would be nice to have another decent fight or 2 to watch before.
tuscaneer said:
FredClogs said:
He's going to leeeean back, I saw him telling Johnny Nelson.
ha! yeah i liked that bit, the only thing he hasn't thought of is foot pressure and angles. you can leanback all you want but if the other guys comes round you then pivots clockwise you're off balance for a straight right down the pipe.....oh dear!Besides I'm putting my fingers in my ears and la la laaaing from now until the fight, no more reason and logic will be entertained...
FredClogs said:
You're right, but if Tyson does go southpaw he's right that he puts a huge distance between himself and vlad that it's on vlad to make that distance up (Tyson has the 4inch reach advantage) and if he starts throwing the one two and coming short Tyson can pick him off with jabs, short punches and upper cuts... I mean obviously it's all theoretical but I genuinely believe, watching Tyson in the preview stuff and that, that he won't freeze on the night, that'll he'll go out there with a spring in his step and at least attempt to move around Klitschko and put into effect whatever he's worked on in the gym and I doubt Klitscko's power or jab is going to stun or surprise Tyson, no matter how good and solid and strong and defensive and seasoned Klitschko is he is a bit one dimensional.
Besides I'm putting my fingers in my ears and la la laaaing from now until the fight, no more reason and logic will be entertained...
hmmmm.....only one problem with that line of thinking.......if tsyon is right hand forward against wlad's left hand forward we have a problem. speaking as a southpaw my best weapon is my lead right hook or the straight left down the pipe after a step through to the right....Besides I'm putting my fingers in my ears and la la laaaing from now until the fight, no more reason and logic will be entertained...
....who cares i hear you cry!!! the opposite shot to my lead right hook is an orthodox lead left hook.the left hook that wlad ruined pulev with from outside will be more effective if tyson is southpaw.he'll take the left hook right on his right ear then.......then good night nurse.
Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 25th November 14:57
Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 25th November 14:57
Yiliterate said:
What is it with NW fighters hogging the limelight at the moment?! I'm getting bloody sick of it...Crolla, Fury, the Smiths...and now Terry Flanagan vs Derry Mathews has just been announced for February!
When are the shandy drinkers gonna get a go?!
well yous had better fWhen are the shandy drinkers gonna get a go?!
king toughen up a bit then man!!I can't see anything other than an easy win for Klitschko. He won't be suckered in to chasing a southpaw Fury as he's probably the most calm and calculating HW champ I've ever seen. There's nothing I've seen Fury do that Klitschko doesn't do better (that even includes punching himself in the face too!).
I wish we could take the Klitschkos and dump them in any era as I truly believe that they would hold their own anywhere. I'm not suggesting that they would be this dominant but I'm fairly certain they'd be within title contention in any era, particularly a younger Vitali.
The only live threat to Wladimir right now is father time and sadly that beats everyone eventually.
I wish we could take the Klitschkos and dump them in any era as I truly believe that they would hold their own anywhere. I'm not suggesting that they would be this dominant but I'm fairly certain they'd be within title contention in any era, particularly a younger Vitali.
The only live threat to Wladimir right now is father time and sadly that beats everyone eventually.
tuscaneer said:
Yiliterate said:
What is it with NW fighters hogging the limelight at the moment?! I'm getting bloody sick of it...Crolla, Fury, the Smiths...and now Terry Flanagan vs Derry Mathews has just been announced for February!
When are the shandy drinkers gonna get a go?!
well yous had better fWhen are the shandy drinkers gonna get a go?!
king toughen up a bit then man!!tuscaneer said:
FredClogs said:
You're right, but if Tyson does go southpaw he's right that he puts a huge distance between himself and vlad that it's on vlad to make that distance up (Tyson has the 4inch reach advantage) and if he starts throwing the one two and coming short Tyson can pick him off with jabs, short punches and upper cuts... I mean obviously it's all theoretical but I genuinely believe, watching Tyson in the preview stuff and that, that he won't freeze on the night, that'll he'll go out there with a spring in his step and at least attempt to move around Klitschko and put into effect whatever he's worked on in the gym and I doubt Klitscko's power or jab is going to stun or surprise Tyson, no matter how good and solid and strong and defensive and seasoned Klitschko is he is a bit one dimensional.
Besides I'm putting my fingers in my ears and la la laaaing from now until the fight, no more reason and logic will be entertained...
hmmmm.....only one problem with that line of thinking.......if tsyon is right hand forward against wlad's left hand forward we have a problem. speaking as a southpaw my best weapon is my lead right hook or the straight left down the pipe after a step through to the right....Besides I'm putting my fingers in my ears and la la laaaing from now until the fight, no more reason and logic will be entertained...
....who cares i hear you cry!!! the opposite shot to my lead right hook is an orthodox lead left hook.the left hook that wlad ruined pulev with from outside will be more effective if tyson is southpaw.he'll take the left hook right on his right ear then.......then good night nurse.
Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 25th November 14:57
Edited by tuscaneer on Wednesday 25th November 14:57
I know, I know... but... I also hope. Did you read the "badlefthook" article with the gif clips I posted above? You can't deny Fury does move in a way other heavyweights don't, I realise the Klitschko jab and power is a step up from Chisora and Hammer, but as long as he doesn't freeze up and become overwhelmed on the night (which I don't think he will) I think he'll do something special at least.
FredClogs said:
He also explained that to Mr Nelson, his superior reflexes will enable him to get his hand up to his right ear to cushion Vlads left hook (how much cushioning will occur is also open to interpretation) and then - hey presto, he's on the inside and working the body...
I know, I know... but... I also hope. Did you read the "badlefthook" article with the gif clips I posted above? You can't deny Fury does move in a way other heavyweights don't, I realise the Klitschko jab and power is a step up from Chisora and Hammer, but as long as he doesn't freeze up and become overwhelmed on the night (which I don't think he will) I think he'll do something special at least.
This is all good theory from the furious one, but his experience is against tomatoe cans, rather than people that fire back I know, I know... but... I also hope. Did you read the "badlefthook" article with the gif clips I posted above? You can't deny Fury does move in a way other heavyweights don't, I realise the Klitschko jab and power is a step up from Chisora and Hammer, but as long as he doesn't freeze up and become overwhelmed on the night (which I don't think he will) I think he'll do something special at least.
It's been a cleverly engineered road map to this opportunity which has largely avoided top level opposition... No pulev, no povetkin, chagaev, stiverene, not even someone of peters quality. He dodged eustinov which would have given him a bit more of a challenge.
It's seems the norm now to have this highly engineered path to a title shot to maintain that undefeated status. I don't like doing it as it's an extreme comparison but the real Tyson fought about once a month for the first two years, winning the title within those two-ish years. Still a bench mark.
tuscaneer said:
eddie was trying to get callum smith out AGAIN!!....given he only got 2 minutes work a couple of weeks ago.....not yet confirmed however
But that would only be a couple of minutes work again. No way would he be risked against someone with a high ranking. Late notice now too. Doesn't look to be any genuine 50/50 fights on the whole card. FredClogs said:
He also explained that to Mr Nelson, his superior reflexes will enable him to get his hand up to his right ear to cushion Vlads left hook (how much cushioning will occur is also open to interpretation) and then - hey presto, he's on the inside and working the body...
I know, I know... but... I also hope. Did you read the "badlefthook" article with the gif clips I posted above? You can't deny Fury does move in a way other heavyweights don't, I realise the Klitschko jab and power is a step up from Chisora and Hammer, but as long as he doesn't freeze up and become overwhelmed on the night (which I don't think he will) I think he'll do something special at least.
no doubt he is "unusual" in his movement which does make him harder to read......but one big problem he's got is that he isn't a massive puncher, at least with wilder he has a punchers chanceI know, I know... but... I also hope. Did you read the "badlefthook" article with the gif clips I posted above? You can't deny Fury does move in a way other heavyweights don't, I realise the Klitschko jab and power is a step up from Chisora and Hammer, but as long as he doesn't freeze up and become overwhelmed on the night (which I don't think he will) I think he'll do something special at least.
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