interestingly priced 964
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wildman0609 said:
So you like C4s so little that you've never owned one.
I only had standard brakes in a C2 for a few races before I upgraded to big reds and Tilton pedal box, so can't comment on brakes. The C4s feel too heavy and too much understeer for my liking. I very rarely drive Porsche's on the road (at the moment I don't even have a Porsche road car, I have 2x 964 race cars, 964cup/RSR and C2/3.8) which probably is what drives my opinion on them.
When I say shyte, I mean shyte for a Porsche, they're obviously still better than some other marques.
Being a previous 964 C2 owner, on unfamiliar roads if I was to buy another 964 it would be a C4. Track use no, but I've always been of the feeling I think the C4 would have been the quicker car ...... On unfamiliar roads, so more enjoyable. I only had standard brakes in a C2 for a few races before I upgraded to big reds and Tilton pedal box, so can't comment on brakes. The C4s feel too heavy and too much understeer for my liking. I very rarely drive Porsche's on the road (at the moment I don't even have a Porsche road car, I have 2x 964 race cars, 964cup/RSR and C2/3.8) which probably is what drives my opinion on them.
When I say shyte, I mean shyte for a Porsche, they're obviously still better than some other marques.
Obvious just my opinion mind.
Has anyone with negative comments seen his work with 964s in the tin?
The people who say it's immaculate are all fellow 964 owners who have been around these cars for years and have actually seen this car in the tin. You'd think therefore their opinion would have value. When I want to find out the quality of a service, I ask past clients. All of the 964 owners that have had paint by Tom were very pleased - you've heard some of them here. But hey, any prospective buyer will find out when they PPI the car.
If I wanted to buy an MG I'd ask a long standing and reputable MG owners group their opinion, especially if they know the car - go figure.
That article is based in fact, the models past history and why values rose. It's clearly tough for some to except. The market has shown in the last years that the most valuable cars are the low mileage rare 964s or the ones with the most desirable mods.
As many of us have said you can't build this car for less than the asking price in todays market. Which is why so many sell for this kind of money. I see many sell before coming to market.
I've been lucky to have experienced most models of 964. A C4 when setup correctly is absolute dynamite. A C2 handles like a gloriously traditional 911, a C4 (when correctly setup) is an incredibly balanced car. Countless are hooned on track and many are campaigned professionally in Porsche Club racing.
Anyway, any prospective buyer should buy with confidence.
Cheers,
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Edited by BLACK-BETTY on Monday 27th July 22:40
Slippydiff said:
Owned 4 RS's and a C2. Driven a couple of 4's, I think referring to them as shyte (sic) is doing them an injustice. With suitably fettled suspension they're an excellent all year round piece of kit with the benefit they have proper lockable diffs for when the going gets really tough. Added to which the C4 pressurised braking system is superior to that in the C2.
C4 is a very competent, all condition, fast road car (in its time I hasten to add). A track car it is not. It understeers regardless of how well it is set up and it carries a bucket load of extra weight thanks to the front gearbox / diff. Why you would try to race it - competitively - against a C2 I don't know. The C4 lightweight, parts bin special shouldn't be brought in as a countenance to this argument.How easy is it to go from C4 to C2 - not too difficult. Done it on my C4. Now runs a 64 RS gearbox. Difficult part is tricking the ECU in to thinking that it hasn't lost half its running gear.
C4's vs early C2's do have better braking systems - 4 pot calipers all round versus 4 pot on front and 2 on rear for C2. C4 also has greater valving i.e. more pressure in master cylinder / vacuum than C2 as Slippydiff says. C4 vacuum is one notch down from RS from memory. Later C2's had four pot calipers all round.
I haven't seen this particular car but the paint looks excellent. No idea about the rest of it and I am not going to opine on it. Problem I have with the car and even more so with "Black Betty" for that matter is that it is all too contrived for my taste. I accept "one man's meat is another man's poison" etc etc.
It is staggering how the values have risen and it is clear that C2's are being held on to.
Wish Tom well with the sale.
Edited by Jimmy Riviera on Tuesday 28th July 13:35
Edited by Jimmy Riviera on Tuesday 28th July 13:48
The chap certainly has a cool business head on his shoulders. He's done a very good job at networking with the 964 community and has become the 'go to guy' for the London owners through his projects (the first one was a grey colour change 964). To use your private projects to promote your business and make a net gain from them and have fun at the same time......is good work in my book.
ras62 said:
we're discussing the value of a 130k mile 964 C4 not the chap selling it. The add screams hype and it is devoid of detail. Who did the top end rebuild 6 years ago and who maintains the car? What has been done in recent years? What is the service history like? Great its got KW suspension, but to claim it rides amazingly and handling vastly improved at that ride hight is complete nonsense as anyone who knows the 964 will tell you. Thread link even shows changing the build sticker under the hood to show the correct paint code! Sorry its all a bit innit bruv for my liking. Just my 2p.
someones taken your advice......... auction updated with a ravishing marketeers tone
ras62 said:
Yes the sychro's are stronger and built for the rigours of the track. The gearstick and bushings are different on the RS giving a shorter throw and the stick is a touch higher, a common mod on C2's much like fitting of the RS flywheel.
Interesting. Flywheel I knew...the rest..could've fooled me... 
Been thinking about this, for a few days now. Always loved the 64, almost bought a 10k one 2.5 years ago, when you could. But bought a GT3, and still hanker for something air cooled, since selling my 993.
So mines up for sale at 61k, now heres what I couldn't stomach. Letting my GT3 go , and buying a 964, for almost the same money. When I think they are worlds apart.
As 964s go, this is probably the best I've seen, I agree with a few, the Leemas logo stuff would have to go. But everything else is spot on.
So mines up for sale at 61k, now heres what I couldn't stomach. Letting my GT3 go , and buying a 964, for almost the same money. When I think they are worlds apart.
As 964s go, this is probably the best I've seen, I agree with a few, the Leemas logo stuff would have to go. But everything else is spot on.
rallyeman said:
Been thinking about this, for a few days now. Always loved the 64, almost bought a 10k one 2.5 years ago, when you could. But bought a GT3, and still hanker for something air cooled, since selling my 993.
So mines up for sale at 61k, now heres what I couldn't stomach. Letting my GT3 go , and buying a 964, for almost the same money. When I think they are worlds apart.
As 964s go, this is probably the best I've seen, I agree with a few, the Leemas logo stuff would have to go. But everything else is spot on.
Mmm. So maybe I give you my 993C2 and 15k?So mines up for sale at 61k, now heres what I couldn't stomach. Letting my GT3 go , and buying a 964, for almost the same money. When I think they are worlds apart.
As 964s go, this is probably the best I've seen, I agree with a few, the Leemas logo stuff would have to go. But everything else is spot on.
That could work?
ras62 said:
Cant see anything different tbh? This add caused quite a stir on the 911uk forum, so much so the offending post and subsequent questions were deleted by the moderators.
well bullet points have become paragraphs but yes detail missing incl original factory colour yes heard about posts on 911uk very worrying *IF* said claim about the car held truth
all info disappeared..... why.... all just bizarre
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