interestingly priced 964
Discussion
almost 60k for a....... umm unique 964.... on eBay 221834089675
body work looks clean but the price?
for a 130k miles non-original paint bespoke C4! from a guy who built a reputation in Vauxhall Corsa circles
allegedly a few questionable reports on his 'customer service' and 'quality' in recent months..... but NOT used him so will not pass comment....... this is PH afterall
interesting one this
body work looks clean but the price?
for a 130k miles non-original paint bespoke C4! from a guy who built a reputation in Vauxhall Corsa circles
allegedly a few questionable reports on his 'customer service' and 'quality' in recent months..... but NOT used him so will not pass comment....... this is PH afterall
interesting one this
Edited by avaF1 on Wednesday 29th July 18:08
No problem in colour changing a Porsche. Jasmine had done a couple of lovely 964's in Maritime and Mint. Don't know 'LeMass' you'd have to inspect the quality and thoroughness of the job first hand.
The car above is going to be a harder sell as Rubystone Red is a marmite colour, even though it was an official 964 RS colour. I had it on a Caterham 7 HPC and loved it, others would just say 'interesting choice of colour'.
It does look good on this show picture.
It would help if it was a C2, but £57k for a '89 C4 with 130k miles on eBay sounds steep. I'd also be expecting the full RS treatment including leather buckets at that price.
The car above is going to be a harder sell as Rubystone Red is a marmite colour, even though it was an official 964 RS colour. I had it on a Caterham 7 HPC and loved it, others would just say 'interesting choice of colour'.
It does look good on this show picture.
It would help if it was a C2, but £57k for a '89 C4 with 130k miles on eBay sounds steep. I'd also be expecting the full RS treatment including leather buckets at that price.
Edited by g7jhp on Sunday 26th July 08:29
Odd it obviously has leather buckets at some point as they can be seen in this video but appear to be standard sports seats in the eBay ad.
g7jhp said:
Wozy68 said:
Why does it have a lot of general 993 bits and pieces (and point them out in the advert) 
Probably because 993 bits are superior to 964 bits (I thought that was odd as well)! 
Maybe its because the 993 handles are made of a special super secret military grade lightweight material?
J.C... said:
Well I have used him and his customer service and the quality of his work is top notch. Known in Vauxhall Corsa circles??? What's that got to do with anything?
What a bizarre post....
good to hear all is top notch as it should beWhat a bizarre post....
despite being a trade painter he forgot to mention its not the cars original colour, bizarre indeed
by way of comparison.......
RPM 964 C4 with warranty similar price
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
964 C4 x 2 similar spec half the price
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
pete a said:
Sorry but these prices are getting silly now. It's a 964 C4 which a few years ago was unloved and 15k if you were lucky.
It's not suddenly 4 times better as a car, it's the same car with some paint and gold wheels.
Buy away chaps but not for me.
60k 997 GTS or 991 CS or 996 GT3.
Yep, same as £27k for a 1980 911 SC Targa which would have been £8-10k a few years ago.It's not suddenly 4 times better as a car, it's the same car with some paint and gold wheels.
Buy away chaps but not for me.
60k 997 GTS or 991 CS or 996 GT3.
I know Tom and i was at his workshop a few weeks ago, i've seen his work and he has a good reputation in Porsche circles not just Vauxhall Corsa's
The car has had a complete bare metal respray not just door shuts and outside everything has been taken back to bare metal all the rot cut out and painted in Rubystone to be a bit different. The interior was completely re-trimmed, top end engine rebuild etc.
Think about the cost of doing all this to a 964 plus the cost of a fairly reasonable 964 at today's money to start with and suddenly the price starts to look less silly to quote the other advert for the RPM car posted 'The build totalled £49,000 (excluding the car to start with!)' the advert is now £55k, he never expected to get £60k it was a starting figure for him to be knocked down and do you what, putting £60k as his original asking price is probably the cleverest thing he could have done, its got everyone talking about it, sharing it online so plenty of free publicity.
The car has had a complete bare metal respray not just door shuts and outside everything has been taken back to bare metal all the rot cut out and painted in Rubystone to be a bit different. The interior was completely re-trimmed, top end engine rebuild etc.
Think about the cost of doing all this to a 964 plus the cost of a fairly reasonable 964 at today's money to start with and suddenly the price starts to look less silly to quote the other advert for the RPM car posted 'The build totalled £49,000 (excluding the car to start with!)' the advert is now £55k, he never expected to get £60k it was a starting figure for him to be knocked down and do you what, putting £60k as his original asking price is probably the cleverest thing he could have done, its got everyone talking about it, sharing it online so plenty of free publicity.
AVA-F1. I am a customer of LeMass, and I have put a number of people their way. I would never recommend finger pointing based on a foundation of rumours. If you have not had personal experience, nothing you say holds any validity, although it may stand up in a libel case.
Saying this, the car in question is big money, but having driven it for a day, I can confirm without a shadow of doubt that it is a top car.
I suggest the reason for your post is based on the emotion of surprise, and your immediate response was to try and turn your thoughts into some kind of Ringling and Barnum five ring extravaganza without first thinking about what you were saying in any depth…
Break it down…
Good base car?
Got to be 20 to 25K
Bare metal repaint?
Sure to be 8K plus, without any changes to spec.
Mods?
Easily a couple of bags.
New Parts Fitted?
Work out what would be needed… Seals, window rubbers, tyres, glass (it's had a new F & R screen.
Interior?
Easily £1500
New original BBS E28s?
Don't expect change out of £4500.
Labour?
Well, you clearly know it all, so fill this in yourself…
Comparing this car with others on the market is pointless, and it's not sixty grand anyway - it's fifty five.
Now for the way I would view this car. It's more than a car that scrubs up well and a dealer can offer a warranty on, but it's more the a car that scrubs up well. A 964RS is out of the reach of the average person, they have gone ballistic - this is not unlike the situation of the '73 2.7RS, and clones and those cars flagged under the heading 'tribute' are regularly advertised for this sort of wedge, and more.
So, view this car as a 964 which I can assure you turns heads, drives fabulously, feels tight as a drum and isn't a Guards Red car with a white leather interior.
But then what do I know?
Saying this, the car in question is big money, but having driven it for a day, I can confirm without a shadow of doubt that it is a top car.
I suggest the reason for your post is based on the emotion of surprise, and your immediate response was to try and turn your thoughts into some kind of Ringling and Barnum five ring extravaganza without first thinking about what you were saying in any depth…
Break it down…
Good base car?
Got to be 20 to 25K
Bare metal repaint?
Sure to be 8K plus, without any changes to spec.
Mods?
Easily a couple of bags.
New Parts Fitted?
Work out what would be needed… Seals, window rubbers, tyres, glass (it's had a new F & R screen.
Interior?
Easily £1500
New original BBS E28s?
Don't expect change out of £4500.
Labour?
Well, you clearly know it all, so fill this in yourself…
Comparing this car with others on the market is pointless, and it's not sixty grand anyway - it's fifty five.
Now for the way I would view this car. It's more than a car that scrubs up well and a dealer can offer a warranty on, but it's more the a car that scrubs up well. A 964RS is out of the reach of the average person, they have gone ballistic - this is not unlike the situation of the '73 2.7RS, and clones and those cars flagged under the heading 'tribute' are regularly advertised for this sort of wedge, and more.
So, view this car as a 964 which I can assure you turns heads, drives fabulously, feels tight as a drum and isn't a Guards Red car with a white leather interior.
But then what do I know?
As others have discovered. If you modify a car, you narrow the market. If those mods are 'divisive' you narrow the market even more. Ergo a car like this, no matter how well executed, will always have a narrow market.
If it were an oroginsl colour, totally standard 964 (even Guards/cream) it'd have a market value and would sell at or around that figure.
Ask all those people who converted impact bumper cars to flat fronts in the '80s...
Doesn't make it a bad car though...
If it were an oroginsl colour, totally standard 964 (even Guards/cream) it'd have a market value and would sell at or around that figure.
Ask all those people who converted impact bumper cars to flat fronts in the '80s...
Doesn't make it a bad car though...
PurpleEnemy good breakdown maybe im simply out of touch for non-original values
or are you a fellow L90 crew member out to defend a mate
if so no problem fella.........
the point of the thread was current values for 964 pork..... surprising
or are you a fellow L90 crew member out to defend a mate
if so no problem fella.........the point of the thread was current values for 964 pork..... surprising
PurpleEnemy said:
and it's not sixty grand anyway - it's fifty five.
was 60 dropped 5k in 2 daysEdited by avaF1 on Sunday 26th July 23:25
Since when did spending a shed load of cash on a car guarantee you'd get it back when you sold it?
Things have changed.....or lots of people think they have.
The rare model prices are dragging the regular models with them but I don't see a lot shifting at the moment. The bubble has to burst soon surely?
I remember in the not too distant past when an 89 c4 was the least desirable 964 coupe. Now people are trying to get over 50k for them. ......bonkers.
Good luck to the seller though.....
Things have changed.....or lots of people think they have.
The rare model prices are dragging the regular models with them but I don't see a lot shifting at the moment. The bubble has to burst soon surely?
I remember in the not too distant past when an 89 c4 was the least desirable 964 coupe. Now people are trying to get over 50k for them. ......bonkers.
Good luck to the seller though.....
rubystone said:
As others have discovered. If you modify a car, you narrow the market. If those mods are 'divisive' you narrow the market even more. Ergo a car like this, no matter how well executed, will always have a narrow market.
If it were an original colour, totally standard 964 (even Guards/cream) it'd have a market value and would sell at or around that figure.
Ask all those people who converted impact bumper cars to flat fronts in the '80s...
Doesn't make it a bad car though...
An original colour, totally standard 964 (even Guards/cream) is not £55k it's circa £35k (asking price).If it were an original colour, totally standard 964 (even Guards/cream) it'd have a market value and would sell at or around that figure.
Ask all those people who converted impact bumper cars to flat fronts in the '80s...
Doesn't make it a bad car though...
See two examples below:
Guards Red 1992 964 C4 with 98k miles at LMP for £35k
Guards Red 1989 964 C4 with 85k miles at 4 Star Classics for £36k
I agree if you modify a 964 you will narrow the market. Many of these projects cost a fortune and then when the 'project builder' comes to sell they don't get their money back. Simply adding up all the parts bills and labour time gives you a build cost, but isn't a guide to market value. Lately due to the big hikes in aircooled prices some of these cars have been fetching good prices.
As a comparison to the Rubystone Red 964 C4 with 130k miles at LeMass for £55k, the Diamond Blue 1990 964 C4 with 3.8 Engine Conversion at RPM with warranty for £55k is a interesting alternative. The colour is stunning but subtle, it has a 3.8 litre engine rebuild and a warranty.
If these cars were 964 C2's they'd have a lot more interest.
The LeMass car is a lovely and the attention to detail has to be applauded, although it does look like it was built as a 'promotional vehicle' for the business with LeMass logos on the brake calipers,interior rear shelf carpet and speedo.
I still think it requires buckets to finish the car (which is seemed to have had at one stage).
The value is probably circa £42-48k to the right person who wants a rubystone red 964 C4.
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff