Celica vvtli 190 or Seat Leon cupra 1.8 turbo

Celica vvtli 190 or Seat Leon cupra 1.8 turbo

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dabofoppo

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681 posts

170 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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Hi guys, I currently have an X reg Leon cupra its very smokey and it needs a lambda sensor and possibly a turbo iv been quoted £550 to fix it however theres a chance that I can get a celica vvtli 190 for £800. I havent had the Leon long and it seems a bit boring other than the turbo noises however iv heard that the celica may have oil consumption issues (its a 2000 model 190).

Should I keep the Leon or try the celica?

Escy

3,907 posts

148 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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It's the 1ZZ engine Celica's with issues, the 190 is a 2ZZ engine.

dabofoppo

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681 posts

170 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Cheers guys smile really glad to hear the 190s not affected as it was the only real bad point that I could find.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Not had a celica but can't imagine it sets the world alight.

Have you had the fault codes read on the Seat, as a turbo going would be making a lot of noise. I've had a few vag 1.8t and there isn't much noise but a pokey engine, all had remaps.

dabofoppo

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681 posts

170 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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The Spruce goose said:
Not had a celica but can't imagine it sets the world alight.

Have you had the fault codes read on the Seat, as a turbo going would be making a lot of noise. I've had a few vag 1.8t and there isn't much noise but a pokey engine, all had remaps.
Faults came back as a lambda sensor car puts out lots of grey/blue smoke when revved it also makes a whistling/whooshing sound but i put that down to the induction kit and it uses loads of oil. The engine was what attracted me to the leon in the first place and it seems like quite a good engine other than the turbo issues.

Andy665

3,599 posts

227 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I owned a Leon Cupra back in 2001 from new - efficient, capable, engine thats as dull as ditchwater - all of those things

I picked up a 116k mile Celica T Sport (190)3 months ago to replace a Clio 182. People quite understandably rave about the Clios handling, in my opinion the Celica is every bit as capable and fun

The engine doesn't need to be revved like crazy as most people state - in normal driving there is no need to go anywhere near the 6200rpm lift zone - I haven't seen less than 34mpg out of mine yet so also pretty fuel efficient

A friend of mine is probably the most knowledgeable person in Europe on Toyota engines - he trains master tech's across Europe - his view is that the 190 engine is as near unbreakable as you get an engine - good enough for me


V8A*ndy

3,695 posts

190 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Is it pre facelift 190 (at that price I guess so)

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confused_buyer

6,610 posts

180 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Very underrated car the Celica, and very well built as well. If it is all working £800 is a bit of a steal for a nice 190.

V8A*ndy

3,695 posts

190 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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confused_buyer said:
Very underrated car the Celica, and very well built as well. If it is all working £800 is a bit of a steal for a nice 190.
One of the best cars I ever owned.

Weak points for me was the brakes and the seats were bloody awful. Only sold it because I've a disability and it was becoming difficult/uncomfortable to drive.

Still miss it.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I've often wondered why the Celica gets so little credit as a drivers' car. Sure it's no Integra Type-R, but it's one of the better FWD coupes out there; easily a match for the Alfa GTV, Fiat Coupe and mk2 Audi TT.

vezna

9 posts

104 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I badly miss my Celica. It was a 2000 car, sold it a couple of years ago. Despite it's crazy appetite for oil I'd buy another tomorrow. A nice combination of a bit of pace, solid looks, comfort and reliable enough. I'd go as far to say I'm actually considering buying another. They seem to be very, very cheap these days.


tomjol

532 posts

116 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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dabofoppo said:
Faults came back as a lambda sensor car puts out lots of grey/blue smoke when revved it also makes a whistling/whooshing sound but i put that down to the induction kit and it uses loads of oil. The engine was what attracted me to the leon in the first place and it seems like quite a good engine other than the turbo issues.
Sounds like seals have gone in the turbo - needs replacing/refurbishing. Not cheap.

TheJimi

24,862 posts

242 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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kambites said:
I've often wondered why the Celica gets so little credit as a drivers' car. Sure it's no Integra Type-R, but it's one of the better FWD coupes out there; easily a match for the Alfa GTV, Fiat Coupe and mk2 Audi TT.
I realise that this is in no way a scientific observation, but I've seen a clip of an Mk3 Mr2 running a 2ZZ engine and it looked and sounded slow. Certainly slower than I'd have expected 190bhp in a sub 1000kg car to look.

So extrapolating that, a Celica which is 300kg (?) heavier, must be fairly mediocre in a straight line.

As I say, rather unscientific hehe

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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Yes, it's not a drag racer but then nor are its competition.

TheJimi

24,862 posts

242 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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kambites said:
Yes, it's not a drag racer but then nor are its competition.
I'd be very surprised if an ITR wasn't decently quicker.


Andy665

3,599 posts

227 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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TheJimi said:
I realise that this is in no way a scientific observation, but I've seen a clip of an Mk3 Mr2 running a 2ZZ engine and it looked and sounded slow. Certainly slower than I'd have expected 190bhp in a sub 1000kg car to look.

So extrapolating that, a Celica which is 300kg (?) heavier, must be fairly mediocre in a straight line.

As I say, rather unscientific hehe
A 190 Celica is sub 1200kk so hardly a heavyweight bruiser

TheJimi

24,862 posts

242 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I didn't say it WAS a heavyweight bruiser, rather, I was referring to how much heavier it is in comparison to the Mk3 MR2 - within the context of my post.


cocopop

1,300 posts

204 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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My house mate has a 190. It's very impressive for what it is, certainly not slow. Handles rather well too.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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TheJimi said:
kambites said:
Yes, it's not a drag racer but then nor are its competition.
I'd be very surprised if an ITR wasn't decently quicker.
The DC5 is a bit quicker certainly; it's a similar weight at about 30bhp up, IIRC? My point was that straight line speed isn't the point of either car, or indeed of most other cars in this market. There are plenty of modern hot hatches which would blow either into the weeds.

TheJimi

24,862 posts

242 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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I understood your point, you don't have to spell it out to me smile