Can we hunt him using an Apache?

Can we hunt him using an Apache?

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TheJimi

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24,862 posts

242 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Yes, that's what's happening.

rolleyes


Fat Fairy

503 posts

185 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Parsnip said:
TheJimi said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Very sobering. I have a friend from Zim , she's a maths teacher here. She is underwhwelmed by the entire thing. She see's our (western) attitudes to many things as nothing more than hysterical.
Because Africa is so much more enlightened than the West.

Makes sense yes
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.

I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Up until the last lion is killed by a western 'hunter', then it will all be our fault, 'when will we get compo.......'

rolleyes

FF

Neil H

15,323 posts

250 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Cheese Mechanic said:
Very sobering. I have a friend from Zim , she's a maths teacher here. She is underwhwelmed by the entire thing. She see's our (western) attitudes to many things as nothing more than hysterical.
She should probably be a little more respectful of a society and culture that has been a global influence in pretty much every field of human discovery for hundreds of years, whereas her culture...to put it kindly...hasn't.

Parsnip said:
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.

I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
How patronising.

Previous

1,434 posts

153 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Parsnip said:
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.

I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Part of the answer here, I believe, is understanding the value western society places on human life vs natural life, specifically the value of human life of (typically) poorer, less educated people living in less developed areas of the world.

Should we care more about human life than natural life? I don’t know, but my initial view is it depends....

Should the value of human life depend upon background, education, wealth etc? Whatever your view it seems to work that way in practice.

Some of the bigger things to worry about involve significant cultural change (Spread of Ebola / death rituals / lack of education for instance)

Personally I’ve some more sympathy / concern for the lion(s) than for some of those persons affected by the bigger things to worry about, largely as the lions don't get a choice in the matter whereas, generally speaking, for some of human issues those involved do (albeit maybe not at an individual personal level, but through the culture, policy and actions taken, intentionally or otherwise, of the affected population).

So I agree, a first world problem, yes, but Ive no concern that it gets more attention here than some of the bigger issues in those countries. (Easy for me to say of course sat typing this in a western country)


Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

168 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Neil H said:
She should probably be a little more respectful of a society and culture that has been a global influence in pretty much every field of human discovery for hundreds of years, whereas her culture...to put it kindly...hasn't.
How patronising.
You are indeed. Spectacular arrogance.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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whatever way you look at it, it is very sad that this magnificent Animal died for "sport" but even more sad that someone would travel thousands of miles spending $50k just to kill him and several others.
Can't see him leaving the USA and as usual in a few weeks or even a few days it will be forgotten.

cayman-black

12,625 posts

215 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Parsnip said:
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.

I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Your right i dont.

Neil H

15,323 posts

250 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Cheese Mechanic said:
Neil H said:
She should probably be a little more respectful of a society and culture that has been a global influence in pretty much every field of human discovery for hundreds of years, whereas her culture...to put it kindly...hasn't.
How patronising.
You are indeed. Spectacular arrogance.
Next time I'm in Africa I'll be sure to point out all the things I think are pointless about their culture, I'm sure it will be well received.

Negative Creep

24,942 posts

226 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Cecil's brother has been shot by poachers now

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cecil-lion-slain-lions-br...

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Negative Creep said:
Cecil's brother has been shot by poachers now

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cecil-lion-slain-lions-br...
wkers.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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laugh

telegraph said:
Honour Cecil the lion with a gold-plated engraved HTC One M9 - yours for £1,580
Gold plating company Goldgenie has created a special version of the HTC One M9 dedicated to the memory of Cecil the lion

Laurel Green

30,770 posts

231 months

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

168 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Neil H said:
Next time I'm in Africa I'll be sure to point out all the things I think are pointless about their culture, I'm sure it will be well received.
Being as you are such a superior creature who knows it all I'm sure you will.

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Negative Creep said:
Cecil's brother has been shot by poachers now

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cecil-lion-slain-lions-br...
The hand wringers will be mortified. I am sure they are going to hound the poachers who did this just as much as the dentist (not).

Snozzwangler

12,230 posts

193 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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KTF said:
Negative Creep said:
Cecil's brother has been shot by poachers now

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cecil-lion-slain-lions-br...
The hand wringers will be mortified. I am sure they are going to hound the poachers who did this just as much as the dentist (not).
Suggesting double standards... Tut tut tut.

Although 100% correct!

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Apparently not dead now. The hand wringers can go back to standing outside a dental practice with their pitchforks or being keyboard warriors on Twitter.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-08-02/cecil-th...

TheJimi

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24,862 posts

242 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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KTF, I'm one of those who feels strongly about this. Indeed, I am the OP of this thread.

Why does that make me a handwringer or keyboard warrior?



Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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KTF said:
The hand wringers will be mortified. I am sure they are going to hound the poachers who did this just as much as the dentist (not).
You understand that the poachers, if found, get shot dead right?


KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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TheJimi said:
KTF, I'm one of those who feels strongly about this. Indeed, I am the OP of this thread.

Why does that make me a handwringer or keyboard warrior?
If he was playing by the rules and paying to control the population in the park rather than have a ranger shoot a lion as they would have done but not get an income from it then why is this suddenly a big thing?

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Jasandjules said:
You understand that the poachers, if found, get shot dead right?
Getting off lightly compared to what some people said they would do to the dentist.