Copper earns 45k.... in overtime alone.

[hornetrider]

Not a bad little earner eh!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

I'm certainly happy my tax dollars are supporting such efficient spending.

[0000]

Those toilets aren't going to chop fingers off by themselves.

[Derek Smith]

hornetrider said:

Not a bad little earner eh!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

I'm certainly happy my tax dollars are supporting such efficient spending.

I'd bet a considerable amount of my money on the particular officer being on diplomatic protection. It will probably be guarding someone who views themselves as important. They will make demands and the officer will comply. That's the way it goes.

The prot officers on duty at a party political advertising production, sorry party conference, will be on duty 18 hrs a day. Given how grumpy most of them are, perhaps longer. And this is for a week or more.

Much of the other overtime is as a direct result of government policy. If you don't want your tax dollars used this way, have a word with Cameron.

[Red 4]

... police officers required to work daft hours and get paid for it shocker !!!

Or should they work for free ?

Non-story ...

Next !!!

[Elroy Blue]

I'd like them to come up with the facts of this 'little earner'.

I keep reading Police overtime was GIVEN to them. No, it was EARNED due to working excessive hours.

I'm sure this story appearing has absolutely nothing to do with the current pay review body examining Police Overtime rates. Purely coincidental I'm sure.

Edited by Elroy Blue on Wednesday 29th July 17:12

[carreauchompeur]

On a separate but related note, i did think recently that Ms May should probably put her money where her mouth is where it comes to there still being excess cops and lose her protection detail...

[CoolHands]

0000 said:

Those toilets aren't going to chop fingers off by themselves.

I was watching that tv programme 24 hours in police custody on ch4. They (two officers) had to take a scrote to the hospital as he had a head injury (from a fight - not the police). He was there for a good number of hours, approx 6-8 from what I could make out (it was incidental to the programme). I was thinking while watching it that it was probably a good little earner.

[Jasandjules]

If he did the work, then he should be paid for it. A fairly simple concept is it not?

[Red 4]

CoolHands said:

I was watching that tv programme 24 hours in police custody on ch4. They (two officers) had to take a scrote to the hospital as he had a head injury (from a fight - not the police). He was there for a good number of hours, approx 6-8 from what I could make out (it was incidental to the programme). I was thinking while watching it that it was probably a good little earner.

Not really.

It is, however, very boring. Ever sat 'round in A&E yourself ? Riveting, isn't it ?

In any case, what do you expect the police to do ?

The "scrote" - as you put it - was under arrest. Or should the cops just say don't worry about it - be sure to hand yourself back in at custody when the doc has seen you, there's a good chap.

[CoolHands]

they should hand it off to Group4

[Red 4]

CoolHands said:

they should hand it off to Group4

Be careful what you wish for.

G4S have no powers of arrest/ detention - yet.

[Quinny]

Well if there aren't enough feet on the ground, and existing officers have to work extra hours to cover.... They need paying

I worked in a factory..... When I was asked to work extra hours, I got paid for them..

[anonymous-user]

It'd be interesting to see some data with some actual depth and meaning. Knowing the average amount of overtime, the reason incurred and the proportion of casual / pre-planned would be useful. As well as a suitable graph to plot the average amount of overtime per officer to show how atypical-an-example the headline example the Telegraph have gone with is.

If you arrest someone within the last 1/4 of your shift, you can't say, "oh well, it's 17:00 I am going home now".

The issue is when you have fewer officers is you're less nimble to respond to unpredictable events. An example being the EDL may decide to organise a protest in a four days' time. Most forces won't have the capacity to police such an event at short notice so have no choice but to bring officers in to enable them to still be able to respond and manage normal demand.

Here's some limited data (only 17 from 37 forces) just from the EDL, two years ago, to give some idea of costs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23364013

CoolHands said:

0000 said:

Those toilets aren't going to chop fingers off by themselves.

I was watching that tv programme 24 hours in police custody on ch4. They (two officers) had to take a scrote to the hospital as he had a head injury (from a fight - not the police). He was there for a good number of hours, approx 6-8 from what I could make out (it was incidental to the programme). I was thinking while watching it that it was probably a good little earner.

Unlikely. What is likely to happen is officers will be sat there a whole shift without a break / meal etc and handover to the next shift.

[MrBarry123]

carreauchompeur said:

On a separate but related note, i did think recently that Ms May should probably put her money where her mouth is where it comes to there still being excess cops and lose her protection detail...

Why on earth would that be sensible? I imagine she's near the top of the list of people who are most likely to have attempts against their safety and therefore absolutely justifies her protection detail.

Back to the point of the thread... I'm not sure what the point of the story is? The Police are paid overtime like anyone else who has an overtime allocation in their contract. Why shouldn't they?

[carreauchompeur]

MrBarry123 said:

carreauchompeur said:

On a separate but related note, i did think recently that Ms May should probably put her money where her mouth is where it comes to there still being excess cops and lose her protection detail...

Why on earth would that be sensible? I imagine she's near the top of the list of people who are most likely to have attempts against their safety and therefore absolutely justifies her protection detail.

Back to the point of the thread... I'm not sure what the point of the story is? The Police are paid overtime like anyone else who has an overtime allocation in their contract. Why shouldn't they?

It wouldn't be sensible for her on an individual basis any more than the swingeing cuts are for wider society... Therefore if she wants to keep spouting her bile, she should accept that cuts have consequences!

[///ajd]

£45k is quite a lot, and £32k overtime in a call centre? Really?

What sort of salaries are these on top of?

[Countdown]

hornetrider said:

Not a bad little earner eh!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-ord...

I'm certainly happy my tax dollars are supporting such efficient spending.

Overtime is actually a relatively efficient way of employing labour. It means you can adjust to temporary fluctuations in workload without needing a pool of surplus labour permanently on standby.

[Defcon5]

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///ajd said:

£45k is quite a lot, and £32k overtime in a call centre? Really?

What sort of salaries are these on top of?

Highest pay point PC is around 38k (after 7 years service)

With the call centre one, that will usually be staffed by dedicated call takers on about 20k, but they have probably made half of the, redundant, then got a PC to cover staff shortages at triple their hourly rate.

[neenaw]

Just wait for the uproar when they pick up on the overtime earnings of some Paramedics, it's well above the numbers they're talking about in that article.

Good luck to them if they're wiling to work the hours to get that kind of OT money though.

[Vaud]

In our business overtime is possible to a certain grade (manager) and then it is viewed that it is part of your salary.

In the police, is there a similar cut off where overtime is no longer claimable?

Genuine question, I think the Police do an outstanding job and I don't begrudge any reasonable overtime.