Children need to learn risk - chuck them on a mountain!

Children need to learn risk - chuck them on a mountain!

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Baryonyx

17,994 posts

159 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Sounds like a fantastic trip away, and the takehome lesson is fantastic.

wc98

10,360 posts

140 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Snozzwangler said:
So much win!


'...flying them there in a World War II submarine-hunting seaplane.'
trip would have been worth the expense for that experience alone. good to hear not everyone is a health and safety nazi these days.

wc98

10,360 posts

140 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Nick Grant said:
My son's nursery teaches kids risk. He's five now and knows how to use a knife to whittle, start fires, use a saw and all sorts of stuff smile They spend nearly all day outside in all weathers. Problem is he starts school this year and that will be a culture shock being sat in a classroom all day.
my younger sister helps out with a nursery that works that way from time to time,the secret garden near letham i think it is called.,they are outside every day of the year the kids are there.they have a great time

Nick Grant

5,409 posts

235 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
That sounds great- where is that? I'd be well up for that.

I had a gapyear at a fairly famous swiss school for rather well off children (mostly children of multi mutil millionaires and Billionaires).

Every weekend they used to give the kids tents and send them out across the country on the train completely unaccompanied to camp up a mountain. I never knew anything go wrong!
Scotland but it's based on a Norwegian model for preschoolers. His cousin lives in Norway and does the same stuff. I think it's great and they need to carry it on to schools.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
I had a gapyear at a fairly famous swiss school for rather well off children (mostly children of multi mutil millionaires and Billionaires).

Every weekend they used to give the kids tents and send them out across the country on the train completely unaccompanied to camp up a mountain. I never knew anything go wrong!
At the risk of being identified as chippy again, I think if you go to a Swiss finishing school lots of lifes real little risks will pass you by...

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

261 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Better drowned than duffers.......................

kowalski655

14,631 posts

143 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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If not duffers wont drown

One of my favourite books as a kid,must have read the entire series half a dozen times each

MrBrightSi

2,912 posts

170 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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crofty1984 said:
But then I'd have to live in Worksop. frown
Live the other side of Clumber Park to Worksop.

The only project i want teachers in this area to send kids on is a post-birth abortion course.

The article made for good reading. Good on the headteacher.

RicksAlfas

13,384 posts

244 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Gaz. said:
The Scout movement is still available at a small quarterly charge to take kids outside and away from the internet and video games.
I was just going to post the same. My 12 year old has done so much through the Scout Group - camps, archery, air rifles, raft building. All proper stuff. Last Saturday they had a 24 hour camp. Divided into fours they prepared a fire, slung hammocks between trees and then spent the night under the stars, after a torch assisted loon around the woods of course! biggrin

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

132 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Worksop to Greenland by Catalina must have been an experience.

TheChampers

4,093 posts

138 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Gaz. said:
RicksAlfas said:
I was just going to post the same. My 12 year old has done so much through the Scout Group - camps, archery, air rifles, raft building. All proper stuff. Last Saturday they had a 24 hour camp. Divided into fours they prepared a fire, slung hammocks between trees and then spent the night under the stars, after a torch assisted loon around the woods of course! biggrin
Do you remember that big fk off thunderstorm we had about a month ago? My 8 year old lad was in a patrol tent during it.

It constantly amazes me how few children from our local school do anything with the local Scouts, 20 years ago there were waiting lists to get in.
Sad. 30 years ago when I was doing my DofE Gold, there was over a hundred lads attending my local Boys Brigade Company (two week's camping in the "Industrial Fortnight" every Summer for an escape for Birmingham lads in the Isle of Wight, Cornwall or once, Guernsey) brilliant. My weekend postie is one of the lads I camped with and played football with andwe we still share a "do you remember when so and so said this/did this etc?" exchange even though our lives have led very different paths since. Now, I understand there's only about thirty in the BB Company smile

wobert

5,031 posts

222 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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TheChampers said:
Gaz. said:
RicksAlfas said:
I was just going to post the same. My 12 year old has done so much through the Scout Group - camps, archery, air rifles, raft building. All proper stuff. Last Saturday they had a 24 hour camp. Divided into fours they prepared a fire, slung hammocks between trees and then spent the night under the stars, after a torch assisted loon around the woods of course! biggrin
Do you remember that big fk off thunderstorm we had about a month ago? My 8 year old lad was in a patrol tent during it.

It constantly amazes me how few children from our local school do anything with the local Scouts, 20 years ago there were waiting lists to get in.
Sad. 30 years ago when I was doing my DofE Gold, there was over a hundred lads attending my local Boys Brigade Company (two week's camping in the "Industrial Fortnight" every Summer for an escape for Birmingham lads in the Isle of Wight, Cornwall or once, Guernsey) brilliant. My weekend postie is one of the lads I camped with and played football with andwe we still share a "do you remember when so and so said this/did this etc?" exchange even though our lives have led very different paths since. Now, I understand there's only about thirty in the BB Company smile
Some of it may be down to the individual Scout Group.

My wife is GSL at the local group and they have waiting lists for every section.

My lad has progressed from Beavers all the way to Explorers. He's currently at the World Scout Jamboree in Japan, a once in a lifetime opportunity.

My daughter is in Scouts and is away for the Troop's annual summer camp doing all sorts of activities.

Beati Dogu

8,881 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Down in the South West, a lot of schools and youth groups do the Ten Tors Challenge on Dartmoor every May. It's organised by the Army and the route depend on age & varies from 35 to 55 miles.

It has a different climate up there and even on a fine July day it'll likely be cold and windy. In May it can be nice, or it can be atrocious. They've had to pull people off some years because the risk of exposure is very real. One girl drowned a few years ago IIRC.

carinaman

21,274 posts

172 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Beati Dogu said:
Down in the South West, a lot of schools and youth groups do the Ten Tors Challenge on Dartmoor every May. It's organised by the Army and the route depend on age & varies from 35 to 55 miles.

It has a different climate up there and even on a fine July day it'll likely be cold and windy. In May it can be nice, or it can be atrocious. They've had to pull people off some years because the risk of exposure is very real. One girl drowned a few years ago IIRC.
Kids have got heat exhaustion doing Ten Tors too.

PugwasHDJ80

7,523 posts

221 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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carinaman said:
Beati Dogu said:
Down in the South West, a lot of schools and youth groups do the Ten Tors Challenge on Dartmoor every May. It's organised by the Army and the route depend on age & varies from 35 to 55 miles.

It has a different climate up there and even on a fine July day it'll likely be cold and windy. In May it can be nice, or it can be atrocious. They've had to pull people off some years because the risk of exposure is very real. One girl drowned a few years ago IIRC.
Kids have got heat exhaustion doing Ten Tors too.
we did it in 98 when we woke up with 3 foot of snow against the tent- they pulled off every team they could find, there were about 8 teams they didn't find- we were one of them! One of the girls in the group buggered her ankle so we carrier her the last 10 miles.

15 years later I'm still recovering biggrin

Digga

40,293 posts

283 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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FredClogs said:
At the risk of being identified as chippy again, I think if you go to a Swiss finishing school lots of lifes real little risks will pass you by...
You're right.

They're unlikely to turn into a parody of Citizen Smith.

Brother.

RicksAlfas

13,384 posts

244 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Gaz. said:
Do you remember that big fk off thunderstorm we had about a month ago? My 8 year old lad was in a patrol tent during it.

It constantly amazes me how few children from our local school do anything with the local Scouts, 20 years ago there were waiting lists to get in.
I remember that thunderstorm thinking I'm glad my lad isn't camping in it!

As another poster mentioned above all our sections are oversubscribed which is a shame, but also shows we are doing something right at the same time. A lot depends on how active the Group is, how good the leaders are, and if you get any help from parents!

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

219 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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carinaman said:
There was much hand wringing from BRAKE! the other week about how casualities on the roads have gone up.
What - you mean despite ever more speed cameras and the wholesale reduction in limits.....casualties have gone up?

It almost suggests speed(ing) may not be the root cause of the majority of accidents doesn't it? scratchchin


kowalski655

14,631 posts

143 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
Worksop to Greenland by Catalina must have been an experience.
Anywhere to anywhere else by Catalina would be awesome

GadgeS3C

4,516 posts

164 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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kowalski655 said:
Anywhere to anywhere else by Catalina would be awesome
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Too right.

Fantastic opportunity for the kids. What a great confidence builder for life.

Did similar stuff with scouts etc. when younger (sadly not in Greenland via Catalina)- highly recommended.